X-Original-To: pgsql-docs-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC0FD1B438 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02556-10 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:14:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.hive.nj2.inquent.com (mc.carriermail.com [205.178.180.9]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 239EED1B4D3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:14:22 -0400 (AST) Received: (qmail 9648 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 17:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.16?) (216.208.117.7) by 205.178.180.9 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 17:12:41 -0000 Subject: Re: The Tutorial(TM) From: Rod Taylor To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: David Fetter , Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai , PostgreSQL Docs In-Reply-To: <200401081807.13777.peter_e@gmx.net> References: <20040108075229.GE85110@nexus.ninth-circle.org> <20040108123937.GU24788@fetter.org> <200401081807.13777.peter_e@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073582063.15269.4.camel@jester> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:14:24 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Archive-Number: 200401/15 X-Sequence-Number: 2231 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:07, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > David Fetter wrote: > > Expanding on that, putting FK's in "Advanced Features" gives the (IME > > always wrong) impression that they're optional. > > They *are* optional. > > The first chapter is about getting the data in and out. That is not > optional for using a database. Transactions, views, foreign keys, > primary keys even, and everything else that some people think is > essential for a "real" database are in fact optional. Remember that > the tutorial is intended for people starting from zero. Let's not > overwhelm them right away. Perhaps it's simply the wrong title. "Design" in place of "Advanced Features" They're not advanced database features, but they aren't required learning until you're designing the environment rather than simply using the environment.