Received: from localhost (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7999FA19B for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:24:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82311-01 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:24:12 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-130.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.130]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387DA9F9C35 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:24:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kB8LOBkG020020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:24:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Switching to XML From: "Joshua D. Drake" To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Josh Berkus , pgsql-docs@postgresql.org, David Blewett In-Reply-To: <200612082158.06649.peter_e@gmx.net> References: <4579720E.4000707@dawninglight.net> <200612082115.53566.peter_e@gmx.net> <1165609294.24745.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612082158.06649.peter_e@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:26:00 -0800 Message-Id: <1165613160.24745.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Archive-Number: 200612/42 X-Sequence-Number: 3965 On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 21:58 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > You can create, edit, convert, save, and open docbook xml in > > OpenOfice.org. > > Sure, there are more editing options with DocBook XML. No one disputes > that. But the question at hand was about processing the DocBook. Yes which is generated from our use of SGML which is the core of this problem and the core of the question as a whole. SGML is making working with the documentation *harder*. We have people that *DO NOT* contribute because of this SGML requirement. They have what I consider extremely valid reasons, namely it is dumb to require a writer to use emacs or write tags explictly. Hell, the only reason I have even bothered to contribute what little I have to the docs is because I wrote a book in SGML, thus it is a no brainer to me. Others aren't so tortured as to have done the same. There is a long standing support within the community to move to XML including: Josh Berkus Josh Drake Robert Treat Andrew Dunslane David Blewett David Fetter Devrim Gunduz Darcy Buskermolen And that is just from #postgresql The french team also uses Docbook XML and they can generate a PDF in 30 minutes... it takes us DAYS because of the SGML. How about we stopping using assembling and move to C shall we? Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate