Received: from localhost (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0211A9FA274 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:21:39 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 84854-05 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:21:37 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-130.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.130]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71F9FA182 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:21:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAHLN2c031492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:21:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Switching to XML From: "Joshua D. Drake" To: Tom Lane Cc: Peter Eisentraut , David Fetter , Guillaume Lelarge , Josh Berkus , pgsql-docs@postgresql.org, David Blewett In-Reply-To: <5584.1165770689@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <4579720E.4000707@dawninglight.net> <200612101008.10366.peter_e@gmx.net> <1165767023.13210.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612101737.10958.peter_e@gmx.net> <1165769484.13210.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5584.1165770689@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:23:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1165771396.13210.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:21:24 -0800 (PST) X-Archive-Number: 200612/92 X-Sequence-Number: 4015 On Sun, 2006-12-10 at 12:11 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > "Joshua D. Drake" writes: > > Until you can come up with a reason why we *shouldn't* move to XML. I > > believe this issue is settled. > > How about "the people who are actually doing the work today don't > want to change to XML"? O.k. that's obviously reasonable enough but nobody has stepped up and said. "Hey, I am doing the work here, I don't want to use XML." I can easily provide the counter argument that says, "Why don't the users of SGML want to migrate to XML?" Not one person has stepped up and said it will cause me undue amounts of grief, pain, or even... I just hate XML. > > I'm not very excited by hopes that all sorts of documentation manpower > will suddenly materialize if only the docs were in XML not SGML. I am not a believe of suddenly materializing manpower either ;). However I do know that the regional projects would be greatly appreciative. > *That* > is the part of this argument for which no evidence has been produced. > Where are the people who know the code well enough to document it > but refuse to work on the docs because they're not XML? Where are the people that know the code well enough to document it but refuse to work on the docs because they are XML? I am not trying to be sarcastic here, honestly but not even in this email have you said: "I don't like XML, I don't want to move to it because..." > > (And no, Peter is not the only one objecting.) O.k. why then? Why are you objecting? Peter has yet to provide a reason either? What we have here is a dozen or so people that want to move to XML and have stated publicly that they want to do so, as well as the reasons why. We also have two people who have said, that they want to stay with SGML but have provided zero reason why. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > regards, tom lane > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate