Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5640D9FBC9B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:51:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98106-05 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:51:09 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from outmail128154.authsmtp.net (outmail128154.authsmtp.net [62.13.128.154]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24099FBC96 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:51:10 -0300 (ADT) Received: from outmail128185.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail128185.authsmtp.co.uk [62.13.128.185]) by punt3.authsmtp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Kp) with ESMTP id l9C6p5R9044385; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (85-211-149-22.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.149.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Kp) with ESMTP id l9C6p4eJ092999; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:51:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Release notes introductory text From: Simon Riggs To: Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Kevin Grittner , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <11800.1192139217@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <200710112034.l9BKYEA26708@momjian.us> <11800.1192139217@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:51:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1192171873.4233.486.camel@ebony.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Quench: 812b1a34-788f-11dc-b86a-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdxZQATClZOTQEd DAteCiNZVAwpPBRK HVkIKg5MJUcNSQVJ NksachtFaQdbYlpF HGQLW1NEUFp7XGJ/ aw8fZQBDYEtPQQRu WVZLQE1QERpoT0AI dRheVkwIdwxEcXd5 K0dnW3MVVEV4J0cs QUpJEmUOM3phaTRM TRJQcVJJcANLfxdA PlN4UyBcLwdSbGoL PyYYHB0LBgAXEilR TwgWIBoURloGBXY9 QQwYGjkyFlECXTR7 MxE2NjYy X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633235383639.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:752/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200710/625 X-Sequence-Number: 108993 On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 17:46 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian writes: > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > >> If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk > >> release, you've got it covered. > > > No, that was not the intent. The indent was to say we got a lot done in > > one year. You have a suggestion? > > Yeah: take the entire paragraph out again. I concur with Neil that > it's nothing but marketing fluff, and inaccurate fluff at that. I think it is important that we are up beat about what we have achieved, but perhaps we should avoid opinions in the release notes. Perhaps it should be part of the press release? We should say that the release notes get discussed on -hackers and the press releases get discussed on -advocacy. That way the scope is clear and we can keep the marketing at arms length from the engineering. I think we need both, but in appropriate places. -- Simon Riggs 2ndQuadrant http://www.2ndQuadrant.com