Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([98.129.198.125]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T2oRb-0004l5-Oy for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:12:23 +0000 Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com ([209.85.160.46]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T2oRZ-0004Ow-DC for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:12:22 +0000 Received: by pbbrr13 with SMTP id rr13so5052183pbb.19 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=ATHCGMEXtltTRhx9A2Hz8zloptuzRStjnDrAzC7jL/4=; b=iMOk2yBSYb2hnoCod4hVlPy6CCYEEtkLRvFHxe7uZM6NwUpnz0+R5qSfOx40396jhm U6yLwrrFMbj8HggwoacILJJa7aZHibRZ5uRSiC1bn4j0XJ7AdHg+1Sfc++KGCU2we9iT wSLgsgVD1uRmJs8DE2+jdwu6okSUI0ezRCBj+S8dPz+wSSo8bODlXPeeS0XhNnf2P0sC H+46mrwlUqbbqTHO0RtSMHm0c4X30kiUpubIzKRqcUvnTxDv7NhQ5ZNYlArS08mx5/zk RhAUYDfzMzHz6M/unHn1MbOgOIB/EI5MpMzAIO6IKttnwwH/Al4qnX4FsjHJ5vnB1Gkm kYfw== Received: by 10.68.228.193 with SMTP id sk1mr21588236pbc.97.1345317139927; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-69-181-249-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [69.181.249.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pg9sm7538180pbb.26.2012.08.18.12.12.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1345317144.3099.49.camel@jdavis> Subject: Re: Would like to contribute a section to docs for 9.3. Where to start? From: Jeff Davis To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: Chris Travers , Postgres Documentation Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 12:12:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <502EA39E.4040301@gmx.net> References: <502EA39E.4040301@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnE0vLe4FsIO1HEatiiaeOvM9boRCoy57gpWTiKQNtYYar56eTNJ4dKf/JuBCD+WDMXxdml X-Pg-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Archive-Number: 201208/35 X-Sequence-Number: 7428 On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 16:03 -0400, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 8/15/12 5:33 AM, Chris Travers wrote: > > So here is a very rough draft. I would be interested in feedback as to > > inaccuracies or omissions. I would like to get the technical side right > > before going into an editorial phase. > > > > Any feedback on the technical side? > > [citation needed] > > Seriously, if we are trying to justify our use of seemingly standard > academic terms, we should have some references to where those are > defined or at least discussed. Otherwise we are just begging the > question: PostgreSQL is object-relational because we say so. I feel like the bar is becoming pretty high for this document. It must: 1. Settle on an accepted criteria for ORDBMS 2. Describe how postgres meets that criteria in a way that's: a. compelling to users b. connects with OOP so the users don't feel like it's a bait-and-switch or get confused by starting with the wrong expectation I feel like making #1 compatible with 2(a) requires some creativity; and #1 might be incompatible with 2(b) entirely. Regards, Jeff Davis