Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0PD9-000504-Jx for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:04:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0PD8-0006JR-IM for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:04:34 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0PD8-0006JJ-CJ for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:04:34 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0PD5-0003vh-E1 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:04:34 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 165E4R2d1438454; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:04:27 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: Thomas Munro cc: ysangkok@gmail.com, Pg Docs Subject: Re: Second-granular timezone offset format not documented In-reply-to: References: <162543102827.697.5755498651217979813@wrigleys.postgresql.org> Comments: In-reply-to Thomas Munro message dated "Mon, 05 Jul 2021 18:12:30 +1200" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1438452.1625493867.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 10:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1438453.1625493867@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Thomas Munro writes: > As for whether it's valid, that's coming from the IANA tz dataset. It > has a moment that it believes standard time to have begun at each > location, in this case: > Z America/Mexico_City -6:36:36 - LMT 1922 Ja 1 0:23:24 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Mexico#History seems to agree on > the year at least. That "local mean time" offset is computed from the > location's longitude, for lack of anything better. The tzinfo > "Theory" file has a bunch of disclaimers about pre-1970 data though, > including "the tz database's LMT offsets should not be considered > meaningful". I tried to interest them in dropping the LMT idea altogether [1]. Unsurprisingly, the proposal went nowhere. regards, tom lane [1] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2021-May/030114.html