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* Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 04:10 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-04-30 04:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs
Right now we have a Developer's Guide (for internal db development) and
a Programmer's Guide (for interfaces). We also have a Developer's
Corner on our web site.
Is there a clearer way to distinguish Programmer from DB internals
Developer. I always get them confused.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 10:19 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-04-30 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; +Cc: pgsql-docs
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Right now we have a Developer's Guide (for internal db development) and
> a Programmer's Guide (for interfaces). We also have a Developer's
> Corner on our web site.
>
> Is there a clearer way to distinguish Programmer from DB internals
> Developer. I always get them confused.
Since the "Developer's Guide" is something that didn't exist in the
docs before 7.1, I'd say that if anything a new name for it would be
needed. But I have no suggestions.
Vince.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 14:24 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-04-30 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Tom Lane wrote:
> Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >> Is there a clearer way to distinguish Programmer from DB internals
> >> Developer. I always get them confused.
>
> > Since the "Developer's Guide" is something that didn't exist in the
> > docs before 7.1, I'd say that if anything a new name for it would be
> > needed. But I have no suggestions.
>
> What? It was there before:
> http://www.ca.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.0/postgres/part-developer.htm
>
> I agree that "developer's guide" vs "programmer's guide" is a rather
> unclear distinction ... no immediate ideas for better names though.
Let me clarify, there was no major section entitled "Developer's Guide"
like there is now.
Vince.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 16:03 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-04-30 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; pgsql-docs
> Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >> Is there a clearer way to distinguish Programmer from DB internals
> >> Developer. I always get them confused.
>
> > Since the "Developer's Guide" is something that didn't exist in the
> > docs before 7.1, I'd say that if anything a new name for it would be
> > needed. But I have no suggestions.
>
> What? It was there before:
> http://www.ca.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.0/postgres/part-developer.htm
>
> I agree that "developer's guide" vs "programmer's guide" is a rather
> unclear distinction ... no immediate ideas for better names though.
OK, so people agree we need a better name but can't come up with one.
How about Internals Developer, so it would be the Internals Developers
Corner and the Internals Developer Manual.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 16:05 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-04-30 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; +Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com> writes:
> > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >> Is there a clearer way to distinguish Programmer from DB internals
> > >> Developer. I always get them confused.
> >
> > > Since the "Developer's Guide" is something that didn't exist in the
> > > docs before 7.1, I'd say that if anything a new name for it would be
> > > needed. But I have no suggestions.
> >
> > What? It was there before:
> > http://www.ca.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/7.0/postgres/part-developer.htm
> >
> > I agree that "developer's guide" vs "programmer's guide" is a rather
> > unclear distinction ... no immediate ideas for better names though.
>
> OK, so people agree we need a better name but can't come up with one.
> How about Internals Developer, so it would be the Internals Developers
> Corner and the Internals Developer Manual.
>
>
ick.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-04-30 16:06 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
parent: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-04-30 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; +Cc: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
> > OK, so people agree we need a better name but can't come up with one.
> > How about Internals Developer, so it would be the Internals Developers
> > Corner and the Internals Developer Manual.
> >
> >
>
> ick.
Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 20:02 Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Roberto Mello @ 2001-05-02 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > ick.
>
> Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
How about Hacker's Guide? :)
-Roberto
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 20:33 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
parent: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-05-02 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > ick.
> >
> > Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
>
> How about Hacker's Guide? :)
Yea, I liked that one. I don't think Vince wants to change developers
corner. Maybe we can come back to this later.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 20:46 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-05-02 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; +Cc: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ick.
> > >
> > > Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
> >
> > How about Hacker's Guide? :)
>
> Yea, I liked that one. I don't think Vince wants to change developers
> corner. Maybe we can come back to this later.
Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
reason at all that this guide can't be called the Hacker's Guide and
for it to reside in the Developer's Corner. I'm going to be doing some
redesign and face lifting in the not too distant future and hope the
end result to be the Developer's Corner to be obviously for developers
of PostgreSQL and not software developers *using* or developing products
that use PostgreSQL.
Vince.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 20:52 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
parent: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-05-02 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; +Cc: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
> Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
> reason at all that this guide can't be called the Hacker's Guide and
> for it to reside in the Developer's Corner. I'm going to be doing some
> redesign and face lifting in the not too distant future and hope the
> end result to be the Developer's Corner to be obviously for developers
> of PostgreSQL and not software developers *using* or developing products
> that use PostgreSQL.
Great. Thanks. I realized I was getting the two confused, so I thought
others might as well.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 21:32 Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
parent: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
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From: Bruce Momjian @ 2001-05-02 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; +Cc: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
> On Wed, 2 May 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ick.
> > > >
> > > > Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
> > >
> > > How about Hacker's Guide? :)
> >
> > Yea, I liked that one. I don't think Vince wants to change developers
> > corner. Maybe we can come back to this later.
>
> Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
How about Hackers Lair? Catchy?
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 22:37 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-05-02 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; +Cc: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
> > > >
> > > > How about Hacker's Guide? :)
> > >
> > > Yea, I liked that one. I don't think Vince wants to change developers
> > > corner. Maybe we can come back to this later.
> >
> > Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
>
> How about Hackers Lair? Catchy?
Interesting......
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 23:27 Richard Poole <richard.poole@vi.net>
parent: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
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From: Richard Poole @ 2001-05-02 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-docs; +Cc: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:32:47PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >
> > Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
>
> How about Hackers Lair? Catchy?
Any chance we could get the apostrophes right, whichever we go for?
If it's the Guide, or Corner, or Lair, of more than one Hacker,
then it's the "Hackers' Guide", or whatever.
Richard
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 23:36 Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org>
parent: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>
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From: Justin Clift @ 2001-05-02 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
Wizards guide?
:-)
+ Justin
Roberto Mello wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:06:56PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > ick.
> >
> > Yea, I had the same feeling. Can't someone come up with a nice name?
>
> How about Hacker's Guide? :)
>
> -Roberto
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> http://www.sdl.usu.edu - Space Dynamics Lab, Developer
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-02 23:36 Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
parent: Richard Poole <richard.poole@vi.net>
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From: Vince Vielhaber @ 2001-05-02 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Poole <richard.poole@vi.net>; +Cc: pgsql-docs; Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Richard Poole wrote:
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:32:47PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >
> > > Hacker's Guide sounds good. Hacker's Corner sounds bad. There's no
> >
> > How about Hackers Lair? Catchy?
>
> Any chance we could get the apostrophes right, whichever we go for?
> If it's the Guide, or Corner, or Lair, of more than one Hacker,
> then it's the "Hackers' Guide", or whatever.
I like to be creative in that respect, so it'll depend on my mood
at the time.
Vince.
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* Re: Developer vs. Programmer
@ 2001-05-03 14:38 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
parent: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>
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From: Peter Eisentraut @ 2001-05-03 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roberto Mello <rmello@cc.usu.edu>; +Cc: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>; Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>; Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; pgsql-docs
Roberto Mello writes:
> How about Hacker's Guide? :)
Sorry, but the philological battle for "hacker" is lost. It was nice
while it lasted but the last thing we should do is name a book after it.
;-)
More importantly, however, "hacker" (in the preferred meaning) does not
achieve the desired semantic distinction either, since in a way developer
== programmer == hacker.
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