X-Original-To: pgsql-general-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E28CD1B1DC for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:01:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44643-06 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:01:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mr2.surnet.cl (av2.surnet.cl [216.155.73.169]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9A4D1B248 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:01:08 -0300 (ADT) Received: from smtp2.surnet.cl (216.155.73.169) by mr2.surnet.cl (7.0.024) id 4046489701AD5ACB for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from av2.surnet.cl ([216.155.73.169]) by smtp2.surnet.cl (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:59:36 -0400 (CLT) Received: from cluster.surnet.cl (216.155.73.164) by smtp2.surnet.cl (7.0.024) id 406CA669018E04DF for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from 216.155.88.75.dsl.surnet.cl (216.155.93.241) by cluster.surnet.cl (7.0.024) (authenticated as alvherre@surnet.cl) id 403C729000DADE1D for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:01:00 -0400 Received: by 216.155.88.75.dsl.surnet.cl (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2189016638; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:00:59 -0400 (CLT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:00:58 -0400 From: Alvaro Herrera To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Do we need more emphasis on backup? Message-ID: <20040706140058.GB30186@dcc.uchile.cl> References: <200407051909.i65J9Hu04344@candle.pha.pa.us> <20040706123215.6E477430E@jimsun.linxnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20040706123215.6E477430E@jimsun.linxnet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200407/192 X-Sequence-Number: 62791 On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 08:32:15AM -0400, Jim Seymour wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Should I add an FAQ discussing hardware selection and the importance of > > reliable hardware? > > Scary to think that people who don't know enough about running a proper > server, and thus have to be *told* this, are admin'ing databases. Maybe it's scary for people in the US or the western/wealthier Europe. But people also live in other parts of the world (I could even mention that real people do live in places like Iraq and they even have computers there). For us rest-of-the-worlders, it's not always possible to get top of the line hardware. I am somewhat lucky because I live in a country where people can afford an UPS. Some people are not. Of course you can talk about the value of the data and how much good hardware can help you not lose that data -- but truth is, people need to make an economical analysis on the worthiness of such protection, and while some of them will be able to afford redundant battery backed SCSI RAID controllers, some others won't be able to buy an UPS. So I think it's a good idea to mention that better hardware can be helpful. But don't make that sound like if you don't have it, it's the end of the world or the admin is an uneducated moron. -- Alvaro Herrera () "Hoy es el primer día del resto de mi vida"