Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.191]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9124A37C6EA; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:40:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33418-07; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (AST) Received: from davinci.ethosmedia.com (server227.ethosmedia.com [209.128.84.227]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F85737C6E0; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (AST) X-EthosMedia-Virus-Scanned: no infections found Received: from [64.81.245.111] (account josh@agliodbs.com HELO [192.168.1.27]) by davinci.ethosmedia.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 13897811; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:44:30 -0800 From: Josh Berkus Reply-To: josh@agliodbs.com Organization: Aglio Database Solutions To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org Subject: Avoiding upgrade backlash Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:42:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: pgsql-docs@postgresql.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711121442.31233.josh@agliodbs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200711/52 X-Sequence-Number: 12869 Hackers, I'm seeing from reports on IRC that 8.3 may cause an unprecedented number of upgrade issues for users who have old, badly-written applications. Stefan K, for example, was reporting the necessity of re-writing 3000 lines of his PL/pgSQL code on an older app (about 10%). While we are right to choke down abuse of implicit casting, it might be a good idea to give users stronger warnings and instructions. I'm thinking that we need to warn everyone about: 1) They need to use 8.3's pg_dump, not the old version, to upgrade (this is always true but now doing it wrong will break a lot more users). 2) They need to check for bugs 3) If Robert gets his type-cast backport package together, the location of that. I'm thinking this warning should go (prominently) into the release notes, the community notice, and the extended web release. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco