Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D2937B9B5; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:13:46 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88393-05; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:13:35 -0400 (AST) Received: from main2.mycybernet.net (main2.mycybernet.net [209.222.63.140]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772CC37B9B8; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:13:40 -0400 (AST) Received: from 227-54-222-209.mycybernet.net ([209.222.54.227] helo=crankycanuck.ca) by main2.mycybernet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IrjPF-0008Hs-4o; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:13:29 -0500 Received: by crankycanuck.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E52E2504FF; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:13:23 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Josh Berkus Cc: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org, pgsql-docs@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Avoiding upgrade backlash Message-ID: <20071113001323.GA5255@crankycanuck.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan , Josh Berkus , pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org, pgsql-docs@postgresql.org References: <200711121442.31233.josh@agliodbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200711121442.31233.josh@agliodbs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200711/58 X-Sequence-Number: 12875 On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:42:30PM -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: > > While we are right to choke down abuse of implicit casting, it might be a > good idea to give users stronger warnings and instructions. I think this is true. I think it maybe ought to be right at the top of the notes, and maybe ought to be linked off the announcement of the sort Users upgrading from previous releases want to read this compatibility note I think maybe how Debian handled the notes about kernel changes in the last stable release would be a good model. The point there is, _test well_. We're doing what we warned you about. > I'm thinking that we need to warn everyone about: [&c] This list seems to miss the main warning needed, which is this in 300 point bold: IMPLICIT TYPECASTS HAVE BEEN MOSTLY REMOVED. TEST YOUR APPLICATION! A -- Andrew Sullivan Old sigs will return after re-constitution of blue smoke