Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF0F2E2D37 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:54:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00570-06-2 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:54:27 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail42.e.nsc.no (mail42.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.42]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0925A2E2D45 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:54:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (062016190089.customer.alfanett.no [62.16.190.89]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail42.nsc.no (8.13.8/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAECsnJb027330 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:54:49 +0100 (MET) From: "Leif B. Kristensen" To: pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Avoiding upgrade backlash Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:54:49 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200711121442.31233.josh@agliodbs.com> <20071113160041.GA19014@alvh.no-ip.org> <200711141228.33802.leif@solumslekt.org> In-Reply-To: <200711141228.33802.leif@solumslekt.org> X-Face: %iea8o"[SI'kMDS.`hz7lU=?\^lC9J-]CVjo; f{4-C:$?uVUEjyN~uYFn%*aH_c3d09U>=?utf-8?q?x=0A=09TXtaoj=7EMV=2E8PgG7hik9=3BcCT2N6+u?=@Y{wH\p3*_f~FH9k,Wi74e[_l%.7b^'zJ)8S'^G<(=?utf-8?q?=3D=0A=09zw8=5CPMC3=27=7BKl9=2EzL*ks!b6wA?=,c~'F`k&Vq|ELDGa|4 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200711/85 X-Sequence-Number: 12902 On Wednesday 14. November 2007, Leif B. Kristensen wrote: >On Tuesday 13. November 2007, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >>Leif B. Kristensen wrote: >>> On Monday 12. November 2007, Josh Berkus wrote: >>> >I'm thinking that we need to warn everyone about: >>> >1) They need to use 8.3's pg_dump, not the old version, to upgrade >>> >>> Isn't there a chicken-and-egg problem here? On my Gentoo system, I >>> have always been forced to uninstall the old version before >>> upgrading to a new version. >> >>That's a Gentoo shortcoming, nothing more. > >I've started a thread about it in the Portage & Programming section of >forums.gentoo.org: > >http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-615494.html > >I hope that someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to >contribute in bringing this issue to the attention of the Gentoo >developers, and hopefully work out a solution. Sure, there are other >Gentoo users than me around here? FYI, I've filed a bug report on bugs.gentoo.org: "This is not quite a bug, but rather an approaching challenge. See this thread on forums.gentoo.org [http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-615494.html], in which I was asked to file a bug report. Concerning the upcoming PostgreSQL upgrade from 8.2 to 8.3, it's imperative that Gentoo implements an adequate transition procedure. Blocking the old version will create a 'chicken-and-egg' situation where you are left incapable of upgrading your existing databases. According to the developers, it's important that a dump of the old database should be done with the new 8.3 version of pg_dump. See this thread [http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-advocacy/2007-11/msg00051.php] on pgsql-advocacy for some details." The bug id is [https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199142]. -- Leif Biberg Kristensen | Registered Linux User #338009 http://solumslekt.org/ | Cruising with Gentoo/KDE My Jazz Jukebox: http://www.last.fm/user/leifbk/