Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzXNq-0005AM-N3 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzXNq-0001qQ-9Z for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:17:54 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzXNp-0001qH-TB for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:17:54 +0000 Received: from tamriel.snowman.net ([2001:470:e38f::11]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzXNn-0004rz-H2; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:17:52 +0000 Received: by tamriel.snowman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03D255F795; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:17:50 -0400 From: Stephen Frost To: Tom Lane Cc: "Jonathan S. Katz" , "Joshua D. Drake" , "David G. Johnston" , devguy.ca@gmail.com, "pgsql-docs@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: inappropriate word 'victim' Message-ID: <20171004001750.GR4628@tamriel.snowman.net> References: <20171003193804.28564.41434@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <0af35b7c-9421-ed87-34cd-9f73f21e3d71@commandprompt.com> <0d692205-5ec3-55aa-51cb-d029eb93cd12@commandprompt.com> <29011.1507071942@sss.pgh.pa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VjkUKnGfggJDf/g6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <29011.1507071942@sss.pgh.pa.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-docs Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org --VjkUKnGfggJDf/g6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, all, * Tom Lane (tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote: > "Jonathan S. Katz" writes: > > So there is a precedent for using =E2=80=9Ctarget=E2=80=9D for this com= mand. >=20 > I wouldn't object to substituting "target" for "victim"; they're both > pretty specific, and there's little risk of misunderstanding which > database is meant. I don't know if that amounts to much of an > advance in political correctness, though. Based on my review of what 'dict' returns for each, 'target' is distinctly more appropriate. Both definitions in WordNet for 'victim' refer to a 'person' and other dictionaries definitely refer to 'person or living creature' more than not. The definitions for 'target', on the other hand, more generally refer to a goal or something which is being shot at and the references to 'person' in those definitions appears more in the vein of "covering all bases" as it relates to 'person, place, or thing'. > I'm less happy about substituting vaguer words like "subject". > Particularly for non-native English speakers, that seems like it > could be confusing --- eg, if you know the distinction between > subject and object of a sentence, you might think it means the > DB where the command is being issued. Agreed. Thanks! Stephen --VjkUKnGfggJDf/g6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZ1CiuAAoJEO1sijiDR2RVvKEQALeIqnOH2Gfe1cmSnig66xqd IpDHljWqkjUEgkDUGsa+0l9fP9e4VI0rCNesYeq5sNLFStnuNzcLdWizQFL7yt7+ nqDVXuNx4SfXCPbbTWaqHg6ZXHz0eY1tSyvPXgErFjJUuU8g1+8BZuJe0pdLYVpJ Fdj7F50TkTrLEHzw7LizKj1QTJqreiAiYlLFVSA+PA3sT9q1BOpzOwSsqBCTwDin mZfOFYzpauYPx3NadYNrZuKtRmtetEc+8jPvkvPqAs3rngaOU6MNQaHf0vt9BZQV +DaoNNnrruQtf6Ib8fNqho5WLvwOxHmB0BY6VUWp7HQJBVRwBaQBovlBdtRET1SG Yg++JqgZYGjoNcP4LhOjt2hZw8yRACBs8hSbwS+Qk+DITixzMBd/j6ss/4HMHe96 wks6/LUzAC6/Cie9P1FK4fDF/xIVMbvVCiWMzihlmH7gjPDV31pNfWwTqeMDoO86 Rx3xMinaj8TbWgB1MYpabC69BK0Up/nqVhTJ179AL2hwirQe80MSUFiMhHk9QPR3 N38qxUJSpaYunyddaWJWoVAuIZ7ldcFt1A9dO5HWEUM+Gfw7i26pth7ete8iWVRq mGVvwB9r/OXQoEF7RcQFcw340SfTnUkl/1uDwzI6sMdZ3anxhjKhOO3AyUvpgrOH m1sdo9UArHk/QKpRhKjM =cJfg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VjkUKnGfggJDf/g6--