Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSpfb-0001sy-MP for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:50:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSpfY-0001WK-9t for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iSpfX-0001WD-Ng for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:50:19 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iSpfT-0007xu-0Z for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 21:50:17 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id 15so3444133qkh.6 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=2ndquadrant-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=yMxLLOraLzejYNG4fIIyJQWOWwOMdSlbuIgjRg+jseI=; b=qUSIaLZ4m0pQqv14bHAB4kqkU8bHPXtJhjBqrIwoEpLWeic5Ja2LpW1XdTq2dfX6Q0 GKg2hUcgFxL+BVq8AQjatFULRQDLXKpGWooRBVFIbH/OsZh8TnpXMJg+ZVW6htWrBq5u GorMEuUURk7ydOwQ3ZpjojDNwWm3tglRYhhqMasX08ZwZRozwooX9K2ZdI4P8gpElSi2 jQiVHkqXyPNZnQq/zKlkniEjPeUalfaWccOgTxYBCgMVYryL8bC7EvYRPEuVZTViASqM cW17/mZtZuyEJn2TEOgmAoCfA3Xg/zWCxtA0GDMcI6nDiW92EvObJqcrM/QzsDC01MdO IZng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=yMxLLOraLzejYNG4fIIyJQWOWwOMdSlbuIgjRg+jseI=; b=H9atbzib/ouJj+t8CNg64XPiMZorKXGgNDfnoDeE0+fFD8n1IUpcVLv7PypG0uZcGP 0KGgrBEjmrgB9J4HjBFud96EujKW9GAi2lKzgANshl0tznsXLWu9hiGjfWhrJgNkiNU2 JSaA51Rg0WitCn+H1Aeu7iL4pgo04vw1qOqKBUrLyW50OSyot8dO+Tpe3JgV0ifIqFry yDyYPWDCSodBvcA1CIa3pzVYOOqN4uZ8I07suDg4v7Bx3pIzBaQv7XkNNuheGeyHiWoA ISQF1lw+5edM2b1q5qNr+RH3jL3r09zMvK5Bx2K4bIB3LtRn7M5eoBdW5opmkCwlkEb6 Yf1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXLUf74vLvltRdH0qO1SXBFkgqSQ6jORQNTweLTW3H1NbxQK0dS t+Nv0vsbO6Leh/6fzBOu/lU6eOurJdUv5VWtNxZxs9HdzfCQxS1Dbs6V33FDsu4da7xov40/Z4j xPT0IYBtF9m16OkvHzk5/JsSbq2aEf+6Lrts9JpOa4h2dtyt8vdya2qsMzERPTXDc9/sirJWwt/ L6s22RDEAj4rYs X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwRzhd7g9OHxpTlLzRjgeJeVkYta0QuelaNucE9gdMFN4kMrtUdjpJdolxmzxiOISuIu+13Hg== X-Received: by 2002:a37:6354:: with SMTP id x81mr5127399qkb.316.1573163413731; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org (ip-57-2-52-196.nyc.us.northamericancoax.com. [196.52.2.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i12sm1769636qkm.78.2019.11.07.13.50.13 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by nimloth.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27A9B302464; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:50:10 -0300 (-03) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:50:10 -0300 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Daniel Gustafsson , brian.williams@mayalane.com, pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced Message-ID: <20191107215010.GA8541@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20191107212750.GB487@momjian.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 2019-Nov-07, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 07:55:22PM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > > On 7 Nov 2019, at 16:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > We could say "empty", which seems better suited than both "virgin" and > > > "pristine" anyway. > > > > empty is a lot better, but still isn't conveying the state of the database > > without there being room for interpretation. (My grasp of the english language > > isn't enough to suggest a better alternative however). > > I am thinking "pristine" would be a good word here. But you would have to explain that a database created as a copy of template1 may somehow not be pristine. Maybe we should just use a phrase that describes what we mean, something like "a database that doesn't contain objects other than default system ones." -- Álvaro Herrera https://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services