Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 15:42:44 -0500
From: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
To: R Ransbottom <rirans@comcast.net>
Cc: Ian Barwick <ian.barwick@2ndquadrant.com>,
	Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net>,
	Laurenz Albe <laurenz.albe@cybertec.at>,
	pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Documentation: 21.5. Default Roles
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 07:12:08PM -0500, R Ransbottom wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:23:48PM +0900, Ian Barwick wrote:
> > On 2020/01/19 12:56, R Ransbottom wrote:
> 
> > > I would hope to find correct documentation somewhere--that somewhere
> 
> > Indeed, however it's important that the PostgreSQL documentation remains
> > stable for released versions.
> 
> > As-is, the current patch set would result in the term "default role(s)"
> > disappearing from the documentation in the next minor release, which is
> > bound to cause confusion for anyone searching the documentation for the
> > term they're familiar with (unless they happen to be reading this thread
> > or following the git commit log). Cue cries of "OMG Postgres removed a
> > feature in a minor release!!!?!!".
> 
> > And as Stephen mentions, it will break a lot of secondary documentation -
> > not just blogs but things like internal training  materials etc.
> 
> > If this change is made (which I'm personally not against), then it should be
> > only from PostgreSQL 13. For 9.6 ~ 12, IMHO it would be better to tweak the
> > existing documentation to somehow mention that "default roles" should be
> > thought of as "prefined roles", and note they will be called this from Pg13.
> 
> Ian, agreed modulo 13.
> 
> The current section(s) could forward readers to a revised section.  The
> DEFAULT_ROLE_* stuff could carry two names to allow a comprehensive fix
> in 12.X.  That could allow the deprecation and misinformation to end one
> EoL sooner.

With minor releases coming next week, and no movement on doing web
redirects, and no clarity on what this is missing even in master, I will
revert this patch in all branches soon.  I think everyone agrees the new
documentation title is better, but we don't want to break things or add
inconsistency to do it.

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