Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sGIOw-00BQ1n-Nc for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2024 13:16:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sGIOv-004BIF-BO for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2024 13:16:02 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sFm3V-00F78G-Cm for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 02:43:46 +0000 Received: from dd33810.kasserver.com ([85.13.135.231]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sFm3S-000FXi-V5 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 02:43:44 +0000 Received: from dd33810.kasserver.com (dd0802.kasserver.com [85.13.143.1]) by dd33810.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FC00660035 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2024 04:43:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zusammenkunft.net; s=kas202401221002; t=1717814619; bh=s4Wa/luIiJsx6asQIvdPg7d9XlRS6sv0WhdPsMAmkWY=; h=Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:Date:From; b=DEaJMf5HCx0FNDY0d62LrUVkwcj+jjzWStMK73l8VLpqr2vxH3Cw5dKlquTVVRUog sq5mBZpHGjk+zK8OulCK6XGedUiV/yXwOrScGMhCFdZYT8CBrxVyK15VMxlf3+YYLL vBnMoaxxmh7JKx000T0ZqlBXx31GPdqPPmW8ZiWTUTTZ6rED3t2ji+IS+EXqaqb1bq 3CLdTGtHZobYaq9Tjj9b4+T7gzTZL5YIbgkkcaXwjfI2ma6rsKUun+l1KZPTMLKAYn ooU+Ek97sVBzSjGXfiIyoZHQoIGhxLv/YVkszywpOmKhTsumAJ5tur/7LnLqb2LWYv 0LF5WZFBZH/RQ== X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: CLUSTER details To: pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <171773198715.20945.13194211966251728461@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <20240607175709.4A4FB663856@dd33810.kasserver.com> From: "Bernd Eckenfels" User-Agent: ALL-INKL Webmail 2.11 mobile X-SenderIP: 104.28.62.42 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20240608024339.9FC00660035@dd33810.kasserver.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 04:43:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Spamd-Bar: / List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk I am mostly „hung up“ on extending the doc to make it even more usedul (by sharing my use cases). As a user I want to know if CLUSTERing also frees space, and since it has the effect of doing so (and not pre-allocates, which is a bit odd),why not mention it. Btw where is that friendly community the Internet brags about? Gruss Bernd David G. Johnston wrote on 7. June 2024 20:44 (GMT +02:00): > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 10:57 Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > >> >> Is the following correct (I.e. it does not preserv free pages) and can >> be added? >> > > You are hung up on the idea of free pages when this operation makes them > irrelevant. Complete new files are written, populated to the extent of > fill factor, then the old files are removed. At no point do empty pages > get left over in the new file and they get treated the same as non-empty > pages in the old file - they are utterly destroyed. > > >> Sidenote how is the feeling about pointing to >> non-included extension? > > > Not going to happen. > > David J. > Gruß Bernd — https://bernd.eckenfels.net