Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sbkA9-00161I-GU for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:09:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sbkA8-008hXM-34 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:09:24 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sbkA7-008hXD-Rc for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:09:23 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([68.162.161.243]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sbkA5-003fE3-KE for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:09:23 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 477H9JU42052674; Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:09:19 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: "David G. Johnston" cc: joshua.a.aguilar@gmail.com, pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: Tutorial clarify In-reply-to: References: <172303331011.915368.173618351605878110@wrigleys.postgresql.org> Comments: In-reply-to "David G. Johnston" message dated "Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:17:19 -0700" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-ID: <2052672.1723050559.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 13:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2052673.1723050559@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk "David G. Johnston" writes: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 7:34=E2=80=AFAM PG Doc comments form > wrote: >> New and wanted to follow getting started docs but it seems it was writt= en >> for Unix. Would be nice if you built out the getting started docs for m= ore >> than Unix. whatever, no one probs reads this anymore. to the void you g= o! > Maybe 1% of the content is OS-specific and those pieces seem easily > translatable to Windows as it's basically just writing a different path. Yeah, there's not that much that's environment-specific, but sadly just about all of it is stuff a newbie has to deal with before writing their first SQL command. I'm not sure how we can make that better in an environment-agnostic way though. We are certainly not going to provide N different sets of instructions trying to cover all the popular packagings of Postgres: it would be a mess and would likely be constantly out-of-date. As you say, that's really the responsibility of the packagers. Perhaps we should make "1.1. Installation" refer more explicitly to packager-supplied documentation? And I wonder how many people reading that really have a "site administrator" who is not them. Even for people running Unix/Linux, that text seems like it's making archaic assumptions. regards, tom lane