Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iqOCc-0003Z6-5l for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:21:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iqOCa-0006p7-Ol for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:21:48 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iqOCa-0006p0-GY for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:21:48 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iqOCX-0000SW-Hz for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:21:48 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=ndv/Hoj+fzFSBarzMoMyUDIrUKKjXLXidgI5XdMrsyo=; b=13QlhjKacfhW7d7qdojnW54viu QAtu17w0CjYjUvCXIY+DTVVyFp/jtUwXk6DmiO+BOpp4AHYGohMDv5UhWa+67icNdxxX4fJy2k9vq YZ9Gn6OVR1quQhEB2MIrzT3N1XyTR9gy2BS5S3est7PNglIk7vIiI+7g/BNSil2tykczeEjCi7tUC Ocb5HUqjSYRrdnXWWRBJ9AWk3fU5lpcn/WyCmpC5hB4tkUyuNQDlbdDo1PbIs7DM/qUHpMln/jHDo p+2Zjki15j+dQdnTtYRKgD7FjQ/SEmt41dSNsZiLBELxolRgBEwZsrl9JCaESXif4Kkm/tnl5kTn5 bIxNJgKg==; Received: from pool-173-56-10-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([173.56.10.231] helo=Ph33rHippo.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iqOCU-0007KM-AN; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:21:45 +0000 Subject: Listing Drivers in the Docs (was: "Re: Postgres.js driver - for Node.js") To: Stephen Frost Cc: Tom Lane , Jonathan Buhacoff , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <157851397836.29176.4731594661906491622@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <9a8037ce-1240-6200-4d01-0e33eff058d3@postgresql.org> <0eae77e8-0eb8-6726-bbb6-ae59750031ad@buhacoff.net> <4642.1578531542@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20200109170022.GT3195@tamriel.snowman.net> From: "Jonathan S. Katz" Autocrypt: addr=jkatz@postgresql.org; keydata= mQINBFtShwABEAC7PNHDUOTYuifpUCk23KqfxdQQkn4nkoxOXRK0+rAj36FiwqGB4TJFuOVZ sDFAEiSlC8Jt4y5Cs7B5tetT8JNd2cs6zp/udMJJDz9d65O9PDpdlMgAmIiTzpLlSdx8FG56 DTksaDv1d8j3cTJPSE4/fWSxqzA7o3Y9UuL7atZPrzfImgpRKs0of7elIHwOa8GucjyhYqcR h60wFBJc2KXqQdDYRTZy43DSnY/0VNc0omiH355fustvpm+m5HjD3w7qZyfN3fpKJpnX1LCF f3MnPHaDGITIYGRCBXvf0UqUtD6OEVWPv2C2gyqWMIpWmZTOgDufltKyIByKBoS9x0PlFkij 04X3KODCngt+N8Ssc9OICc6QSxhjoP48PYPdmiTmkrGuf0LX084wj1xeo1NX7XxZK39F6dTJ DhsIiW0sNS0xMxQHLHG9VLbPjx3SANQBh6BuryPz5ZupW9/TIDmkvprtU/oXfKgtfYm3fxmk EctxbWrEPsFTFPyuMqQu6l+xyQv0s1VLZfjNWaua6H1/gGoIt6kRnn5qMXDVVpijuWkHbv7G ngaQMd258UrrOEHnnjzhQ7jxMWV9D+emxbAtlIxnYvCWlV4IwAQhEHfvudqYaIY3hNWrvQ6H GB2KXoTZYN9g5djm14/5nj1IU5zOcovkjJnKhoo9iStnpFF2cwARAQABtCdKb25hdGhhbiBT LiBLYXR6IDxqa2F0ekBwb3N0Z3Jlc3FsLm9yZz6JAlQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCQeGH4AFCwkIBwIG FQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQT6hLaVryv3miBkP/HxBJxynxxlJwUCW1KJJQAKCRDxBJxy nxxlJwjrD/kBgqsW4QpNpTFw7ifRokZV08CCX4huPBJQ91rrv+UEWlEcotFBHVkYyHnpzARl tcZxhJ9CbFxjniH9cOTty5T/O1yolbOHtZSW8Z8aWV6BVEbjMb+BFxSSLm7RnvJdzQbGCZq2 ZZvfVpB6z3EHYph4KDdVKvMFjoLskxmdS1DE0tE3zTxvoQsi24Q+HOS07kUjs6fsu/WICMfz mgO++AWG9Y0CvN0mm4TkujESzyKM9E5irD+leEMIcddl51Aa2c/VMfBXQbRmpHIgUFTmuHQD CnQih+9i3OJAksDg66SP8a7yiXv5mwvyDi1EfTGVKYR2j+pwyjwnC3oIbvDMmB3uTn2JIjnT iZKPVtAcAylXjubFltihQgNyuShdP4W+kBwZizhUFqUVL8Anx+KoytYmJPfMRFLGuK4obXKq a2ZS3k9KB+H+isOx2nFJOsc7V360Zp1DVaNmuiK10TT6QndShSPaqkJqFtCb6r92rZ9sZM/L 3vtCI4Rrl3Pt1MgtENXupS8gZpJnAYS0j5A1PAZ09r6ANoaeMHspF+5J5fOHeEvqphXr36mm a83Vl1t4orPb0+QmmijmlpseDU63M88Aw5p3c4qj7t8Qr2EZ5zrn7/sFn5wOfbs8Nymxafif QCnlV2vg9p0m7vSk/yLJ4PFZvs52FgqAGRCdRn0s2EC99bkCDQRbUocAARAAv8ho/toQ9DG3 j4f9h9n1aRHr2FlviN2Utpy6L8+dfDggO0geilmkGQOolZ2E60gGfye/kUtF9W3NByO4hxDR 9u6qbOXcdqnuA+cc68EfqlWFJrVtYFxt0h4ElWYOYnIezKthriWch/FY70FGrxs3z8UHOHq5 0wBW433eTvZm90WixBiXEt2v1DgW4Vr3ymfO7Aap/IYyPuE4JzgudAuAl0HKPyNEHWHG1dAb jX1RiCw9gknIDWQOF0B4UAaJctWGVcnZ3A2ULwNGMa1P9ZJlBWf1vcj01aiHMU0yQ7JjJiSp vfm9eM0uSLwRdDrJjyl5ZZqVumjdv2SMNQ8GvYRbEMys3GGDSt9zXgfCSUnPnJfYxjzBHRI6 x44Wfsx8S6hWxepOogCJJ/g67Bk9mY8YV4klWIXDJVOL5jnBC09DbsZG81JaE2QxB8Y7W36Z Mroi9XMxg3s805hQAQUvdG/poU8hN8BWdrnTm/+4eQQp7gDY1ePDmGM6bJC+OHOSnFtR/f+7 0zpKJ10cc7cBygGnl1yR3KjhFyAWUFvP4ZGziKCcpMwXZfe9PGuyA/YOubMphxIn3YsK2wrd faKZYX2GMZCZhMMcvx9IpQrxIJgU+VlwXu/O+Lk10VIPcxPJJwmpdI6HzcS8ZgG6IMcC444X XTuLaP8j2mgcMvYak3ScCykAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQgAJhYhBPqEtpWvK/eaIGQ/8fEEnHKfHGUn BQJbUocAAhsMBQkHhh+AAAoJEPEEnHKfHGUnReMP/RA2UhGQj+G4uBshkRLjpRysabdPqgQB dEBk6wYbio88Wg/2/hgY7UzmDDEwX3sZfQDcrI6+vIobI8uqstZID+WgAAa1JLfChMyVQnSy 0zfWMOABXscc5tGuvFRZvJklTissMFjXUwaREEKp4ZikTvJ/62MCjSdtrUhnPLvoTsHTKRKD ichE+b5A54alwsubTijw12O6N22r5IjZiiSZV0u7dsShyKw+7wCSax9fuBoE43NMYf+dnjMK nerAQYUcZWYMnk+EC8RaqYAxv6XZ2tKx1AkGGktwkQIBwrz9IlDSvJ3LWJ2UIIuLRTdngNgg GIL4zzuUa2F56FqskQIuYMaNETk6LYfalBDQ6TVLAcgCPQxp4k4i/PRsZ3lZ2ZhRHRYciOvm kp+I6EfHwllQpYrWs1thluBGqlJSVJgKl0IOFvKLsQ6KKfqzAwh6FxrO5qajp4viNIgtWoFw O5Bp0jgFTbH2OrMWIRfUdUCH1Djbuo65svhNj7FNsQVYzHDI+Nd1I/LOBoPc3UorRMF2M4JV kUR7skOHWUbPTSNUr7qc14NSMY3PKjGeVGAsBVHBPvmRx/Ss2tW/TpJWpxg4pmquFQSXuaYh Yf4FN8Sxy320pcr+FqN8AhZkYJcNY82OTtR5VEKRC/mYcyq61qXIKqngydn79bJjGxHipxyF FmEC Message-ID: <22bb915e-1d97-1734-1cf7-ee4911e07ced@postgresql.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:21:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200109170022.GT3195@tamriel.snowman.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk Hi, For this first round, going to truncate a bit of Stephen's thoughts (sorry Stephen) just to cover where we are at: On 1/9/20 12:00 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings, > > * Jonathan S. Katz (jkatz@postgresql.org) wrote: >> On 1/8/20 7:59 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >>> However, I'm not >>> sure that there's anything wrong with having them in the wiki's list >>> as long as they're appropriately marked as not-OSS. >> >> I had an offline suggestion about including a "License" column, which >> seems like a good idea in general as we also have in the docs. And if we >> are going to include more drivers in the docs, we'd (read "I'd" for this >> first pass) have to pull those together anyway. > > I agree with having a license column (*cough* I might have also been the > one to make the offline suggestion, so don't consider this an > independent advocating of that ;). I made a pass at the current Drivers list[1] and added in a link to all of the license files. I would appreciate any verification to ensure I captured them all correctly. The added benefit of this URL is that we now have a direct link to the source code for all of the projects on the page (whereas some were just the project pages), which will help with checking if a project is maintained or not :) (It was also interesting to see which licenses all the drivers used. I even learned of one I hadn't heard before, guess which one..) Despite whether or not we should list out non-OSS drivers, I at least broke them out for the time being. My feeling has not changed: we should not list them on the wiki. Anyway, from a quick scan, for the OSS licenses (knowing this is one of those passionate topics), I don't see anything that I would not feel comfortable linking to as part of our official documentation in this batch (well...maybe one, but the spirit of the license is fine by me and I would not staunchly object). I think if we're comfortable where this is at, the next step would be to define criteria for inclusion, which Stephen started in his previous note. I'll let this bake for a bit and then follow up. Thanks, Jonathan [1] https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/List_of_drivers