Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9394A9FB5F3; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:53:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52328-05; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:53:00 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-130.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.130]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6419FBBDA; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [192.168.1.95] (or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [67.76.146.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGISNC003914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4540E001.5030201@commandprompt.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:19:13 -0700 From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Momjian CC: "Jim C. Nasby" , Dawid Kuroczko , pgsql-docs@postgresql.org, pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Replication documentation addition References: <200610261559.k9QFxv129610@momjian.us> In-Reply-To: <200610261559.k9QFxv129610@momjian.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on projects.commandprompt.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (lists.commandprompt.com [192.168.2.159]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:18:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.585 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO, SARE_SPEC_REPLICA X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200610/110 X-Sequence-Number: 3831 Bruce Momjian wrote: > Jim C. Nasby wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:42:07PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: >>> Jim C. Nasby wrote: >>>> Something else worth doing though is to have a paragraph explaining why >>>> there's no built-in replication. I don't have time to write something >>>> right now, but I can do it later tonight if no one beats me to it. >>> I thought that was implied in the early paragraph about why there are >>> many solutions. >> I think we should explicitely spell it out, especially considering how >> many times people ask about it. How about... >> >> This multitude of choices is why PostgreSQL does not ship with a >> replication solution by default; any bundled solution would only >> satisfy a subset of replication needs. > > The problem is that we do have some solutions in our code, like doing > data partitioning in the application, warm standby, or using a shared > disk for failover, so how do we spell that out? I say there are > multiple solutions, but I don't see how I can say that all are external > and not included. None of those are replication solutions. So I would have to agree with Jim here. This isn't about what people do with their app, so that is not relevant. Warm standby is PITR which is a backup and recovery solution. It does not include a failover solution and is *not* replication. It technically does not provide an HA solution either as it will be almost always farther behind than a replication solution. Shared disk for failover could be used by anything it isn't special to a replication scenario it is standard for many HA. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate