Received: from localhost (uranus.hub.org [200.46.204.60]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2632F9FA1FD for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:18:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.60]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98599-05-3 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:18:05 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from bugaboo.mu (ns1.bugaboo.mu [213.133.111.57]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1109FA219 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:18:02 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.77.20] (p54BD8921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [::ffff:84.189.137.33]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 markus@bluegap.ch) by bugaboo.mu with esmtp; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:17:57 +0100 id 0243275B.4561D535.00001069 Message-ID: <4561D534.1050502@bluegap.ch> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:17:56 +0100 From: Markus Schiltknecht User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: a.mitani@sra-europe.com CC: pgsql-docs@postgresql.org, pgcluster-general@pgfoundry.org, bruce@momjian.us Subject: Re: [Pgcluster-general] PostgreSQL Documentation of High Availability References: <45617CFA.7050603@bluegap.ch> <39022.194.26.187.1.1164038087.squirrel@82.192.72.130> In-Reply-To: <39022.194.26.187.1.1164038087.squirrel@82.192.72.130> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200611/42 X-Sequence-Number: 3876 Hi, a.mitani@sra-europe.com wrote: > Current generation of PGCluster is a Shared-Nothing type of multi-master > and syncronous replication system. Thank you for pointing us to yet another very common distinction in the clustering world: shared-nothing vs. shared-disk or even shared-everything. We don't touch that in the current documentation. Do we want or need to do so? > I think that the feature of this type of replication system is as the > 'Multi-Master Replication Using Clustering' chapter of your document. Most probably, yes. Please note that it's not *my* document :-) Bruce Momjian wrote most of it, with only some hints and annoying nit-picking from my side. > However, Oracle RAC is a Shared-Everything type of multi-master clustering > system. If it set up appropriately, most of these limitations would be > improved. Shared-Everything, really? I thought they did their own distributed shared memory or distributed locking stuff, so it would be shared-disk. And together with their OCFS, they would reach shared-nothing. But I don't really know. @pgsql-docs: I'd strongly vote for not mentioning Oracle if we don't event want to mention proprietary products for PostgreSQL. There are enough research or ongoing projects (even some ongoing reserch projects ;-) ) to mention. PgCluster-II, GORDA, Slony-II or Postgres-R come to mind. > Next generation of PGCluster (I named PGCluster-II) will be a > Shared-Everything type of multi-master clustering system as demonstrated > in Toronto. Yeah, I remember that demonstration. Do you think PGCluster-II fits what's described under 'Multi-Master Replication Using Clustering'? Do you think we should explain Shared-Nothing vs. Shared-Disk vs. Shared-Everything there? Regards Markus