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Johnston" , "pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org" Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:27:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <2ac375d1-591b-4f1b-a2af-f24335567866@oss.nttdata.com> <213ce4a8cc0e481229bdf2198f5c44285eb3e53a.camel@cybertec.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.56.2 (3.56.2-1.fc42) MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2025-07-15 at 10:27 -0400, Robert Treat wrote: > On the other hand, reading the VACUUM reference page, I get the > > feeling that the new syntax with parentheses should be favored. > > After all, the old syntax doesn't support any of the recently > > added options and restricts the option order. > >=20 > > So perhaps we should start propagating the parentheses more, and > > the documentation is the perfect place to do that. >=20 > That might make sense, but how far we want to take it in the first go > around seems like a discussion that is best put forth in a separate > thread / patch. Makes sense, and I have no objection to the patch as it is. Yours, Laurenz Albe