Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWd8W-0003Py-6d for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:15:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWd8T-0001t6-Lv for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:15:53 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWd8S-0001sz-MB for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:15:52 +0000 Received: from mail-wr1-x441.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::441]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iWd8L-00081O-Bs for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 09:15:50 +0000 Received: by mail-wr1-x441.google.com with SMTP id f2so18462715wrs.11 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:15:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cybertec-at.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=luJtanHH3UGhutuwVUtiJY9tLu75dqmF1PMHHx9Uoyc=; b=naz2bYdL2WWSkt0wqUo55G4a8a9sayJ+AaFKCe7/e3fsqfGf01uTBUtWgCN7ss8yYG jqraYm6gn4Ita1dvYn/Xm1P1aknrd+S6KgzFGhZuuHZIMoiiLJ1FA8Se27IrZSTQqGhI 4r0M4dSnAjMwTWcz3YtlvdT8ZP7eqgn16+opm0t1Jtmn4HQK8m2TuFXN8a5XUFo84WEc yDfcCAuI6GEr2M+Wlav+0CfyCU8GyRrJsjmoKFisfgzNXytPJoJU1GkY7zmAtqcr3Ph+ OIiG/862xSzukqWUbyD++YoGyREI2g/8aeld5h36K0xVpEpXxlNveDsjLqzdHuXB6SB9 Xh2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=luJtanHH3UGhutuwVUtiJY9tLu75dqmF1PMHHx9Uoyc=; b=jwSdj/O9Uxm33LZgStYSBD9ZB4BI/hECF6jYg4wsuoFjoID+1AvsNDrJYPxx/Onku7 RzxPQTyoslR8r2UEpavlW5DRuLtKIE5wLnFR6d36ZlG/o6IfGG+CYFFmBcS/sHOay5zx x0q6gYkLYigHGQGgVXjydbyW5RjEP5QkCBVkEoGUfQJIu1DcipRJ2+a+qbKsshU5kJH9 U5TazfkHwm5Y5LYRgwlVwYYzol4xN/CYfb4IcjrWmD8veyHgzQLCnwu5BJbVFilvwQYL CTPUQfpEJRQNomM4Oeqjgk3QWSr+hvXHLGMGMutDQG0+yNk+/9tDGe5qOdLsM4qB2gMh BEcA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVTkuWWFPuxsQYjlVw1kw2fcKp/hhicNiXPguGwzmfvDTG0FqFO pqDrfYEpMBzRYHlFmZo7elQ4Fg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrUl61QHExHR6UpiHM1N5PYMrHX/GAw9ZngP8U4RrRm9+4e47FKsYXyL1RRxzJk8XOEr4eLw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:cf0c:: with SMTP id o12mr28260247wrj.102.1574068543307; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([212.186.219.234]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 19sm25279203wrc.47.2019.11.18.01.15.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:15:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54907b90aa20e603eb4204153c7dd5790ce258a4.camel@cybertec.at> Subject: Re: GSoD - a patch for Getting Started tutorial From: Laurenz Albe To: Liudmila Mantrova , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org, Stephen Frost , Sarah Conway Schnurr Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:15:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.32.4 (3.32.4-1.fc30) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2019-11-17 at 00:04 +0300, Liudmila Mantrova wrote: > Some time ago I was selected to participate in Google season of docs program to update > the introductory tutorial. Please consider the attached patch for the Getting Started part. > Keeping the original information, i tried to make it easy to follow, as well as added > installation steps for binary packages. I'll be glad to hear your feedback. > > Many thanks to Alexander Lakhin for responding to my multiple questions and verifying technical correctness. This is a good thing; I have seen people complain about the tutorial (https://www.postgresql.eu/events/pgconfeu2019/schedule/session/2735-whats-wrong-with-postgres/). I really hope that your work doesn't go to waste. I am a bit uncomfortable about having details about the workings of binary packages for specific operating systems in the core documentation. Maybe I'm too sensitive there, but what about having these parts in the Wiki and linking there from the tutorial? Quickly skimming over the text, I have two things to comment: - The RedHat binaries use "trust" authentication by default, not "peer". - I couldn't see anything about Windows. I think that particularly on Windows people would need a tutorial most, not because Windows people are more clueless, but because things work differently there. Many Windows users don't know how to start a shell. Yours, Laurenz Albe