Subject: Re: FrozenTransactionId
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From: Egor Rogov <e.rogov@postgrespro.ru>
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Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 01:31:49 +0300
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On 06.09.2016 23:41, Tom Lane wrote:
> Egor Rogov <e.rogov@postgrespro.ru> writes:
>> Right, it does not say that FrozenTransactionId is what appears on disk,
>> but what is? There is no such information anywhere in the doc. Since 9.4
>> frozen transactions have their normal XIDs preserved, so how a user can
>> tell normal transaction from frozen one? This is what needs to be
>> explained, I believe.
> I'm afraid the answer is "you can't tell".  The infomask bits in tuple
> headers aren't exposed via SQL.  If you're really desperate,
> contrib/pageinspect would help, but I don't propose mentioning that here.
>
> In general, I'm not really sure why users would care very much at
> a tuple-by-tuple level.

"Normal" users shouldn't care of course, but DBAs sometimes have to. The 
old description could be easily misunderstood and one might expect to 
see FrozenTransactionId in xmin field (I know several people who wasted 
hours trying to figure out what's wrong with vacuum freeze). Now the 
description is much cleaner, thanks!

> Aggregate statistics would be interesting,
> which raises the question why contrib/pgstattuple doesn't provide
> frozen-tuples counts.
>
> 			regards, tom lane
>
>
Regards,
Egor Rogov
Postgres Professional: http://www.postgrespro.com
The Russian Postgres Company


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