Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7459F960C for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:59:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50720-02 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:58:55 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327649F9A67 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:58:56 -0300 (ADT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1427706pyb for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4Pf0qcHcib/Po+BG4w/2XgfYohDhb/R0sbDyUkmDGjI=; b=tRmju0jSAIixtJyFV7E8fjHVvt3fYOXVxRV3KzlHkxDB1WzZ7Vzd0I7ROEMjYOB8nHP5DxRNHrgKf2pDLeJx3WEWrqV2F52oyjimbNHjnB1s7XEAGB3hCGSDu0hSandO1paeLxP0WVRBhiTyM/cYtJJyfY44RQ8xML94uEZYDzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TodKmktWL1L9zkZ0doFF6LlGvJiVVuoCQbZDYWyI/tDJktql2bnJMMuXTH6NZAXdNEj23L4mDc8MMs+ERuBdPPKKvp++B7Dix0g+WIxKaw9UxfyIcoLPN8vGiJHHmC4fYamb+Qv2weo6+0qkf9sVc6N+9Drp9Fw7nkdef0q/OPA= Received: by 10.65.38.5 with SMTP id q5mr4972213qbj.1192136333282; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.203.6 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5a0a9d6f0710111358o90caaf0we94b36e74225a082@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:58:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Hammond" To: "Bruce Momjian" Subject: Re: Release notes introductory text Cc: "Kevin Grittner" , pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <200710112034.l9BKYEA26708@momjian.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41788_17335547.1192136333274" References: <470E40B2.EE98.0025.0@wicourts.gov> <200710112034.l9BKYEA26708@momjian.us> X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200710/607 X-Sequence-Number: 108975 ------=_Part_41788_17335547.1192136333274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/11/07, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM, in message > > <200710112004.l9BK4eq03596@momjian.us>, Bruce Momjian > wrote: > > > > > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new > > > functionality and performance enhancements to > > > PostgreSQL. Many complex ideas that normally take > years > > > to implement were added rapidly to this release by our development > team. > > > > You do realize that this will make many managers very reluctant to adopt > > it before it has settled in for many months, right? > > > > If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk > > release, you've got it covered. > > No, that was not the intent. The indent was to say we got a lot done in > one year. You have a suggestion? > Well, a number of these were bumped from 8.2, so it might be a good idea to go with something like "complex improvements long under development have come to fruition". For the reason suggested above, I don't think it's a great idea to try to emphasize the impressive speed with which some of these features have actually been implemented. I don't know that there's any credible way to tell people that although these things were done quickly they were also done with the exceptional care and attention to detail for which the PostgreSQL development community is famous. I really like your wording about how we're going beyond feature parity. That's exactly the kind of stance for which the "World's Most Advanced Open Source Database" ought to be aiming. As long as we can avoid the negative connotations associated with "experimental". Andrew ------=_Part_41788_17335547.1192136333274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/11/07, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
Kevin Grittner wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at  3:04 PM, in message
> <200710112004.l9BK4eq03596@momjian.us>, Bruce Momjian < bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>
> > This release represents a major leap forward by adding significant new
> > functionality and performance enhancements to
> > <productname>PostgreSQL</>. Many complex ideas that normally take years
> > to implement were added rapidly to this release by our development team.
>
> You do realize that this will make many managers very reluctant to adopt
> it before it has settled in for many months, right?
>
> If the goal is to provide fair warning of a high-than-usual-risk
> release, you've got it covered.

No, that was not the intent. The indent was to say we got a lot done in
one year.  You have a suggestion?

Well, a number of these were bumped from 8.2, so it might be a good idea to go with something like "complex improvements long under development have come to fruition". For the reason suggested above, I don't think it's a great idea to try to emphasize the impressive speed with which some of these features have actually been implemented. I don't know that there's any credible way to tell people that although these things were done quickly they were also done with the exceptional care and attention to detail for which the PostgreSQL development community is famous.

I really like your wording about how we're going beyond feature parity. That's exactly the kind of stance for which the "World's Most Advanced Open Source Database" ought to be aiming. As long as we can avoid the negative connotations associated with "experimental".

Andrew

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