Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTaM-0000Vq-KJ for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTaK-0006c5-K5 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:12 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTaK-0006by-CT for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:12 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTaH-0007pZ-Nf for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:12 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=flmwhBv6n5Mj46LX19h2dDk6UcpXbZyfpmqxOGD3Ikg=; b=4I5l+FYSuzudijHSjxdns3Wl2K +8WtsMOZ6EBql+vb9pPwAgeCP6qMCW5KpjraxzynXH/uf8EMxfWrOn0wkd+A2YXfX8IXbZQ80XCcA /nK41EwD7eY4NwPT1o6rzwhALtp+a89qXrLZzERvOi+0YdBIigtlQxwRca2YO6QD++hffZuO3AeO4 8PfJTFkV2zwA8NVsphkYf4BHiMUBhItDJyS0aMilOmr3BueWsNQ365o8QmrzXZUxxg2Rc+ywEy0tT 4YxUu4TVz+Y6SvsVQ2eeSYmRI31GwaZodt7LE8FabgYBK41imUfPCPqq5JMmIzzoJNMCOuu+i74uy F8JlNhfg==; Received: from pool-96-250-83-19.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([96.250.83.19] helo=Ph33r-Retina.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTaE-0002b7-JG; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:09 +0000 Subject: Re: initdb recommendations To: Peter Eisentraut , Pg Docs References: <0258afa0-db19-3694-d34b-7f6b33ae81d0@2ndquadrant.com> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Peter Eisentraut , Pg Docs Message-ID: <6a40441e-c6dc-a707-a034-1a8261b79c33@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: initdb recommendations References: <0258afa0-db19-3694-d34b-7f6b33ae81d0@2ndquadrant.com> In-Reply-To: <0258afa0-db19-3694-d34b-7f6b33ae81d0@2ndquadrant.com> --4myL6lJsh3u4DYt0soBhTjKEVDS1UhHfT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/8/19 8:25 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 2019-04-05 18:11, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >> + >> + We recommend using the , flags to assign a password to the = database >> + superuser, and to override the pg_hba.conf= default >> + generation using for local co= nnections, >> + and for remote connec= tions. See >> + for more information = on client >> + authentication methods. >> + >=20 > As discussed on hackers, we are not ready to support scram-sha-256 out > of the box. So this advice, or any similar advice elsewhere, would nee= d > to recommend "md5" as the setting --- which would probably be embarrass= ing. Well, it's less embarrassing than trust, and we currently state: "Also, specify -A md5 or -A password so that the default trust authentication mode is not used"[1] We could also modify it to say : "and for remote connections if your client supports it, otherwise " Jonathan [1] https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/creating-cluster.html --4myL6lJsh3u4DYt0soBhTjKEVDS1UhHfT-- --2Oon1OA7ME02BKQ8AmbJeu1luhGszpqRP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAlyrQWAACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSfzxhAAg+dfJwFAUm4kdne1kz3iBSDyQrZo2hW5dlZxlH1FK4ksv6KdgWMXQzb1 SSodBcE4l4fVfn7NMVtJY7FZ4H0Z0jy1bKVjZmTJygpe3U0McJYPp8ljWop/rbMV 9Aa5Xid5WGb8ajJR5ljIM2AS6d8vd1ZoVzNEV/XRGxcjVjBcf2U/+5+m9Tf9NhyS ir37OzgnTManaSIFkz+hcxaP/rHE6SmvpRHdzufyudGoVl0zvijFipHAUbg/w6Hi 5mfllS5aEIXzoVUheIVJnPQrhEScZIvEy6pOKcNPG5eR8JJNLHQfFyJo6klykcrh HDG9Iuf1dkeIPyF8HR3W0PuEyf1a2PomGO0+NckZfeDAEhuyM/dod51L1RPaALHm KJow/m+oezrVUgB7KP5WOtlrqEIOQCGJ9U3A2hggWBY8zQeP65u3IPQWNdzjBlQh imaJ7dF3zdJgCCjapilon4nnH9sI+RqT8+WKRHsgd8sPSTXcSG+qXOfq6zhjwNVq 4c0JXrkQu8kLMaE2Ddj5ZBViDYkkLn6/MEKmZ/PdH7fEhmt3rpt94IUYAvhiXgtS /ow/k0XYVcIjd776o06RuFOrQnP6vU2a1VGz/XxUOAZhgnMQ7BFGznP+eWyoR5Mw 17K35o09y6/g0WcgsGFcA3p3yQW0yM0WFfoppE8nIB/qcJ3lT+Q= =YAmz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2Oon1OA7ME02BKQ8AmbJeu1luhGszpqRP--