Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNLJ3-0004gK-4x for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:28:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNLJ1-0001Yk-PH for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:28:55 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNLJ1-0001Yd-Jz for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:28:55 +0000 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([66.207.139.130]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNLIz-0005QZ-2F for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:28:55 +0000 Received: from sss1.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 08TJSoqF716232; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 15:28:50 -0400 From: Tom Lane To: "Jonathan S. Katz" cc: Niels Andersen , Bruce Momjian , "pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org" Subject: Re: Version 13 documentation layout is harder to read than version 12 In-reply-to: <9ee29735-cd44-4795-c6dd-cf9f6c846a3d@postgresql.org> References: <160135280918.659.8300614023795573502@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <608344.1601387551@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20200929151620.GA26841@momjian.us> <714873.1601406013@sss.pgh.pa.us> <9ee29735-cd44-4795-c6dd-cf9f6c846a3d@postgresql.org> Comments: In-reply-to "Jonathan S. Katz" message dated "Tue, 29 Sep 2020 15:09:58 -0400" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <716230.1601407730.1@sss.pgh.pa.us> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 15:28:50 -0400 Message-ID: <716231.1601407730@sss.pgh.pa.us> List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk "Jonathan S. Katz" writes: > On 9/29/20 3:00 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> But I think it's a net benefit for HTML output as well, in that the >> output does adapt much better than before to smaller window sizes. >> Not everybody wants to dedicate their whole screen to Postgres docs. > I'll also note it helps on mobile viewing as well. We (likely the royal > "we" in this case) still need to figure out some things with the font > size on mobile to make it a bit easier to read, but the measurable > readability of the tables in the v13 docs is better than v12 on smaller > browsing windows. See also Pavel's upthread complaint that the regular and monospace fonts look too much alike. Personally I'm okay with the existing choices --- they look enough different to me, on my browser. But I'll agree that it's on the edge of being a problem. It might be worth taking another look at that whenever someone does font fiddling. > I would say on this particular page, the only thing I find slightly > confusing is when the "->" operator is being described ("json -> integer > -> json"), but I think that may just be an unfortunate happenstance and > not grounds for redesign, at least at this time. Yeah ... again, that's somewhat down to the font choices, IMO. The rightarrow symbol is visibly different from ASCII "->", but not by all that much. I'd prefer a bigger/thicker arrow for that, but as far as I recall we couldn't find a portable way to render one. regards, tom lane