Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr17S-0005l0-Ou for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:50:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr17P-0006sJ-0r for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:50:31 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr17O-0006rw-Na for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:50:30 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr17L-0005FL-7i for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:50:29 +0000 Received: from pool-96-250-83-19.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([96.250.83.19] helo=Ph33r-Retina.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr17F-0008Cl-Lw; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:50:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal To: Andres Freund , Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <19252.1533509841@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205060201.jo3ejddklqxb5a4q@alap3.anarazel.de> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Andres Freund , Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Message-ID: <72f54463-6912-115e-cb89-1fb552659505@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal References: <19252.1533509841@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205060201.jo3ejddklqxb5a4q@alap3.anarazel.de> In-Reply-To: <20190205060201.jo3ejddklqxb5a4q@alap3.anarazel.de> --Ut9AJsncEfddzG2pGZNucBzhum7RUrRf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/5/19 1:02 AM, Andres Freund wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On 2019-01-26 10:06:06 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: >> "Jonathan S. Katz" writes: >>> The one "caveat" I will bring up is that once pushed and applied to t= he >>> site, we would bring introduce a lot of 404s into the website. >> >> Hm. In principle we could probably insert some redirects, but >> I doubt it's worth the trouble. >> >> If I haven't heard objections, I'll see about making this happen >> during the first week of Feb (after the CF closes, but before >> it's time to do the February releases' notes). >=20 > Gah, I'd skipped this thread, because I was OK, if not happy, about the= > original modest proposal (trimming to supported versions). My fault. >=20 > For the record: I think this is a terrible idea. Makes it much harder t= o > figure out what changed when, and requires per-branch incantations to > grep through the log. That's not to speak of the fact that now it's > just about impossible to reference all releasenotes on the website in a= > useful manner now. How frequently are you referencing release notes from older versions -- and I don't mean ones that are just deprecated, but things like 8.2? Or even minor versions such as 8.2.5? Is there a way to keep a balance on the code side: keep the source files in but don't reference them to be built? That may not help with the tarball size, but would certainly still help build times + lower HTML/PDF output. >=20 > For crying out loud, super prominent and often referenced URLs like > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/release-10.html > are now broken, and soon URLs like > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/release-10.html > will be too. We can set up some redirect rules for this in pgweb. We have a record of what the latest version is, so we can intercept anything going to `/current/release-(1?[0-9]+(\.[0-9]?` (untested regex) and point it to the correct version. The original thought process was to _not_ do that given the effort, but if it's just for `/current/` it may not be so bad. 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