Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTf9-0000jR-Gx for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTf8-0006lQ-4q for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:10 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTf7-0006lJ-QI for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:09 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTf4-0005dT-T1 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:08 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=nmFhXM7/v1SDrEkfzI2cO4rJ36blPaz5DK+Vr8cr2Yk=; b=kIxC0v4Dr+ahbyqEsPSVkiEbLh /HSEW7VDbIR07SM9P15lcjcy1ANa+xf9y9iLuz+/viBRgOGV4CIrifVv2nh4jALXe5mJtBRsoMPhn sZU1nELzX2qaA5eT2Dck6HEynfJjpjJ50QMzvRE59lAElQmEpoyouo6koU+vYVaz2LjqT9J9IGTqZ LWu5trCs/vYFLQB95fJFD333ssTjMaMBg53OXO9sW8NO7Ri3rjfehj/DiNB18BSgsmcgp778edrOH IPW/KLrLqBA60bAFgpCFpPEzlBq+DBeGC0+Aaowbexij0AGRqE0OJ8OQDnSvS9uJTheKVknF2Rk8G XmGEqR5Q==; Received: from pool-96-250-83-19.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([96.250.83.19] helo=Ph33r-Retina.home) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hDTf0-0002na-Uc; Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:05 +0000 Subject: Re: initdb recommendations To: Magnus Hagander Cc: Peter Eisentraut , Pg Docs References: <0258afa0-db19-3694-d34b-7f6b33ae81d0@2ndquadrant.com> <6a40441e-c6dc-a707-a034-1a8261b79c33@postgresql.org> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Magnus Hagander Cc: Peter Eisentraut , Pg Docs Message-ID: <7b0096cc-e285-65f8-5535-ba11dbddeda6@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: initdb recommendations References: <0258afa0-db19-3694-d34b-7f6b33ae81d0@2ndquadrant.com> <6a40441e-c6dc-a707-a034-1a8261b79c33@postgresql.org> In-Reply-To: --rgKkkL0Ba97SaJcp6lYAJerp9r4EmowI5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/8/19 8:44 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 2:41 PM Jonathan S. Katz > wrote: >=20 > On 4/8/19 8:25 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On 2019-04-05 18:11, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We recommend using the = , > , > >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 or flags to assi= gn a password to > the database > >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 superuser, and to override the > pg_hba.conf default > >> +=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 generation using > > > > As discussed on hackers, we are not ready to support scram-sha-25= 6 out > > of the box.=C2=A0 So this advice, or any similar advice elsewhere= , > would need > > to recommend "md5" as the setting --- which would probably be > embarrassing. >=20 > Well, it's less embarrassing than trust, and we currently state: >=20 >=20 > Yes. Much less. >=20 >=20 > "Also, specify -A md5 or -A password so that the default trust > authentication mode is not used"[1] >=20 > We could also modify it to say : >=20 > "and for remote connectio= ns if > =C2=A0your client supports it, otherwise