Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXCYg-0006H5-7s for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:05:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXCYe-0005Zb-T7 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:05:16 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXCYe-0005ZU-Jq for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:05:16 +0000 Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXCYb-00080G-Rw for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:05:16 +0000 Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id e6so25949116wrw.1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cybertec-at.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dmsm/PA6YNhlW8b0GUhdM9K895aUq0YHW8dPvsx+evg=; b=Ih+lixWVIpnBY7UDEdXx8caSdSZReMuJZW8Mj3HPY9Xvk7SO7BzRCYHyCD6Il0HWF8 LxOA5UfBHL2WhbiITM40/Bmn+Ow6pJE85dE2vBIIsS0X5yBTWcV6OLOlFY0YH8eyLIBi hNpAdiMziBygtVCE6cW3QR0RPN1A2L6859pjxLAnMfU5QvZQhBKc5Dv1vm4rTs9QRnKV PaSsLkwTnjySpJEAEQlmoN2D6T0h1hAumvuD/OsTsdBcZJ9+xoRbTyolYt4xHUB/Ji/u +Lr330JXtSyk47HVpTXHvB9oxFe9rVsGpHgIIj39aLV76ELojYZSrOFU2k+B2WlhG64W iJrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dmsm/PA6YNhlW8b0GUhdM9K895aUq0YHW8dPvsx+evg=; b=U3LS8udduWtYvmdGts4gcEga2JEewmzgDDnJTzZFLI5UOcTYPGzkMFNMSqBqzEsvcM Y0HN8D48mwhOSSA9KSDhFCC4glEg1Ss5SFYDr8ZG7Fk/K4S9iy9wvX2aK2coycsU7DCp m+isOrFBLm65wbDWNaeYIpmlKcr2uNJhv+5e42bEgu9C8KGXDH8802AmXZ2bW4rwC/S7 acEjgtkOK20ISeIeOBu/krGK+2Q9EL+LKMU4dvktLXpmPRYetje6ll93Ud+ZDdXMvjQL nmP6G3ZaUU8/sn6CKTRugD6wjUihEPPhNp/JD4ObIDXArJkdNLxKNJ6G7cnOtmqAb+wp CpGA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXoxKJcHzMh+AU6CLzFKQTAUtjcLkA/B49bb7G57j3VRUf1p37m 25GuRZzJhx85afpyZy+Q1XqwAw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxUYUsv25SsQzbchv2uBjfEudn48NAk3xmm1PrIo3WgtyJIZ+L2CcJC1xkopQOpjZB7JBO+NA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9f52:: with SMTP id f18mr38759917wrg.51.1574204713094; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (217-149-175-103.nat.highway.telekom.at. [217.149.175.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f24sm4501763wmb.37.2019.11.19.15.05.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:05:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7ea5836d6b11299334e631b514b0d75a57c5cbf6.camel@cybertec.at> Subject: Re: Role membership and DROP From: Laurenz Albe To: Tom Lane Cc: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org, pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:05:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <22269.1574187697@sss.pgh.pa.us> References: <504497aca66bf34bdcdd90bd0bcebdc3a33f577b.camel@cybertec.at> <6808.1573683426@sss.pgh.pa.us> <10546.1573843266@sss.pgh.pa.us> <6c993738c0054bedb9622da0d6789a8d12955cb2.camel@cybertec.at> <22269.1574187697@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.32.4 (3.32.4-1.fc30) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 13:21 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Laurenz Albe writes: > > On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 13:41 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > > Laurenz Albe writes: > > > > On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 17:17 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > > > > It might be worth clarifying this point in section 5.7, > > > > > https://www.postgresql.org/docs/devel/ddl-priv.html > > I like your second sentence, but I think that "the right ... is inherent > > in being the ... owner" is unnecessarily complicated. > > Removing the "always" and "only" makes the apparent contradiction between > > the sentences less jarring to me. > > I think it's important to emphasize that this is implicit in object > ownership. > > Looking at the page again, I notice that there's a para a little further > down that overlaps quite a bit with what we're discussing here, but it's > about implicit grant options rather than the right to DROP. In the > attached, I reworded that too, and moved it because it's not fully > intelligible until we've explained grant options. Thoughts? I am fine with that. Yours, Laurenz Albe