Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTwUb-0008Ux-27 for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 22:47:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTwUZ-00078x-PJ for pgsql-hackers@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 22:47:19 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTwUZ-000765-8o for pgsql-hackers@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 22:47:19 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTwUW-0000cd-F8 for pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 22:47:18 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=LK1JzVI8PiLCOj3JacRJAgnBlwfY4L4zcnwdXn0k3GI=; b=dI43/MH++4F1vHDxgedtG5XyN4 3Ihn4V4B/2sZP4Iht4TRmcfCn7xxfSkSv4I8lfZRGA6QYZUx+4qBcNmEssJXffxzb/ERqWZkf4SIJ 5M3/0FQejlTbuv5amDkY2MYWhGdkSixr7dYyro/LB59qvwdt4f0U6VxS+B42RMDdIeb6qKqnD513K qh9T+YdS4j+Tu4er8tXM5FNJ/e+4UFb3FowbGmqEGIvcuFSk0fhMYsO8k33s1tSnnSnBeWKSuGzOO NFQAfmXPvLVjIcVMFCu/6dDb7lPK637B01Kqo7I2Z0N5SztqYbX6eIX0PWV8mq9bOaEzBUN5T5ooC YULXT/ig==; Received: from [70.42.157.29] (helo=Ph33r-Retina.local) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTwUS-000212-5c; Thu, 23 May 2019 22:47:14 +0000 Subject: Re: initdb recommendations To: Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-hackers Cc: Noah Misch , Magnus Hagander References: <20190406180839.GA1921989@rfd.leadboat.com> <96389374-9454-d26d-6f79-7c7b15ec14bd@2ndquadrant.com> From: "Jonathan S. Katz" Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=jkatz@postgresql.org; keydata= mQINBFtShwABEAC7PNHDUOTYuifpUCk23KqfxdQQkn4nkoxOXRK0+rAj36FiwqGB4TJFuOVZ sDFAEiSlC8Jt4y5Cs7B5tetT8JNd2cs6zp/udMJJDz9d65O9PDpdlMgAmIiTzpLlSdx8FG56 DTksaDv1d8j3cTJPSE4/fWSxqzA7o3Y9UuL7atZPrzfImgpRKs0of7elIHwOa8GucjyhYqcR h60wFBJc2KXqQdDYRTZy43DSnY/0VNc0omiH355fustvpm+m5HjD3w7qZyfN3fpKJpnX1LCF f3MnPHaDGITIYGRCBXvf0UqUtD6OEVWPv2C2gyqWMIpWmZTOgDufltKyIByKBoS9x0PlFkij 04X3KODCngt+N8Ssc9OICc6QSxhjoP48PYPdmiTmkrGuf0LX084wj1xeo1NX7XxZK39F6dTJ DhsIiW0sNS0xMxQHLHG9VLbPjx3SANQBh6BuryPz5ZupW9/TIDmkvprtU/oXfKgtfYm3fxmk EctxbWrEPsFTFPyuMqQu6l+xyQv0s1VLZfjNWaua6H1/gGoIt6kRnn5qMXDVVpijuWkHbv7G ngaQMd258UrrOEHnnjzhQ7jxMWV9D+emxbAtlIxnYvCWlV4IwAQhEHfvudqYaIY3hNWrvQ6H GB2KXoTZYN9g5djm14/5nj1IU5zOcovkjJnKhoo9iStnpFF2cwARAQABtCdKb25hdGhhbiBT LiBLYXR6IDxqa2F0ekBwb3N0Z3Jlc3FsLm9yZz6JAlQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCQeGH4AFCwkIBwIG FQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQT6hLaVryv3miBkP/HxBJxynxxlJwUCW1KJJQAKCRDxBJxy nxxlJwjrD/kBgqsW4QpNpTFw7ifRokZV08CCX4huPBJQ91rrv+UEWlEcotFBHVkYyHnpzARl tcZxhJ9CbFxjniH9cOTty5T/O1yolbOHtZSW8Z8aWV6BVEbjMb+BFxSSLm7RnvJdzQbGCZq2 ZZvfVpB6z3EHYph4KDdVKvMFjoLskxmdS1DE0tE3zTxvoQsi24Q+HOS07kUjs6fsu/WICMfz mgO++AWG9Y0CvN0mm4TkujESzyKM9E5irD+leEMIcddl51Aa2c/VMfBXQbRmpHIgUFTmuHQD CnQih+9i3OJAksDg66SP8a7yiXv5mwvyDi1EfTGVKYR2j+pwyjwnC3oIbvDMmB3uTn2JIjnT iZKPVtAcAylXjubFltihQgNyuShdP4W+kBwZizhUFqUVL8Anx+KoytYmJPfMRFLGuK4obXKq a2ZS3k9KB+H+isOx2nFJOsc7V360Zp1DVaNmuiK10TT6QndShSPaqkJqFtCb6r92rZ9sZM/L 3vtCI4Rrl3Pt1MgtENXupS8gZpJnAYS0j5A1PAZ09r6ANoaeMHspF+5J5fOHeEvqphXr36mm a83Vl1t4orPb0+QmmijmlpseDU63M88Aw5p3c4qj7t8Qr2EZ5zrn7/sFn5wOfbs8Nymxafif QCnlV2vg9p0m7vSk/yLJ4PFZvs52FgqAGRCdRn0s2EC99bkCDQRbUocAARAAv8ho/toQ9DG3 j4f9h9n1aRHr2FlviN2Utpy6L8+dfDggO0geilmkGQOolZ2E60gGfye/kUtF9W3NByO4hxDR 9u6qbOXcdqnuA+cc68EfqlWFJrVtYFxt0h4ElWYOYnIezKthriWch/FY70FGrxs3z8UHOHq5 0wBW433eTvZm90WixBiXEt2v1DgW4Vr3ymfO7Aap/IYyPuE4JzgudAuAl0HKPyNEHWHG1dAb jX1RiCw9gknIDWQOF0B4UAaJctWGVcnZ3A2ULwNGMa1P9ZJlBWf1vcj01aiHMU0yQ7JjJiSp vfm9eM0uSLwRdDrJjyl5ZZqVumjdv2SMNQ8GvYRbEMys3GGDSt9zXgfCSUnPnJfYxjzBHRI6 x44Wfsx8S6hWxepOogCJJ/g67Bk9mY8YV4klWIXDJVOL5jnBC09DbsZG81JaE2QxB8Y7W36Z Mroi9XMxg3s805hQAQUvdG/poU8hN8BWdrnTm/+4eQQp7gDY1ePDmGM6bJC+OHOSnFtR/f+7 0zpKJ10cc7cBygGnl1yR3KjhFyAWUFvP4ZGziKCcpMwXZfe9PGuyA/YOubMphxIn3YsK2wrd faKZYX2GMZCZhMMcvx9IpQrxIJgU+VlwXu/O+Lk10VIPcxPJJwmpdI6HzcS8ZgG6IMcC444X XTuLaP8j2mgcMvYak3ScCykAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQgAJhYhBPqEtpWvK/eaIGQ/8fEEnHKfHGUn BQJbUocAAhsMBQkHhh+AAAoJEPEEnHKfHGUnReMP/RA2UhGQj+G4uBshkRLjpRysabdPqgQB dEBk6wYbio88Wg/2/hgY7UzmDDEwX3sZfQDcrI6+vIobI8uqstZID+WgAAa1JLfChMyVQnSy 0zfWMOABXscc5tGuvFRZvJklTissMFjXUwaREEKp4ZikTvJ/62MCjSdtrUhnPLvoTsHTKRKD ichE+b5A54alwsubTijw12O6N22r5IjZiiSZV0u7dsShyKw+7wCSax9fuBoE43NMYf+dnjMK nerAQYUcZWYMnk+EC8RaqYAxv6XZ2tKx1AkGGktwkQIBwrz9IlDSvJ3LWJ2UIIuLRTdngNgg GIL4zzuUa2F56FqskQIuYMaNETk6LYfalBDQ6TVLAcgCPQxp4k4i/PRsZ3lZ2ZhRHRYciOvm kp+I6EfHwllQpYrWs1thluBGqlJSVJgKl0IOFvKLsQ6KKfqzAwh6FxrO5qajp4viNIgtWoFw O5Bp0jgFTbH2OrMWIRfUdUCH1Djbuo65svhNj7FNsQVYzHDI+Nd1I/LOBoPc3UorRMF2M4JV kUR7skOHWUbPTSNUr7qc14NSMY3PKjGeVGAsBVHBPvmRx/Ss2tW/TpJWpxg4pmquFQSXuaYh Yf4FN8Sxy320pcr+FqN8AhZkYJcNY82OTtR5VEKRC/mYcyq61qXIKqngydn79bJjGxHipxyF FmEC Message-ID: <81b36e8b-e27b-ab5d-c4f0-6493771bc0ee@postgresql.org> Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 18:47:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <96389374-9454-d26d-6f79-7c7b15ec14bd@2ndquadrant.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PxNVptbB7Ncc3dNMfYs9x6UkAhN0XvYLC" X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 70.42.157.29 (failed) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --PxNVptbB7Ncc3dNMfYs9x6UkAhN0XvYLC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="65PhvtsAKs38FTZBfCtSuw8lyWBugFLYP"; protected-headers="v1" From: "Jonathan S. Katz" To: Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-hackers Cc: Noah Misch , Magnus Hagander Message-ID: <81b36e8b-e27b-ab5d-c4f0-6493771bc0ee@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: initdb recommendations References: <20190406180839.GA1921989@rfd.leadboat.com> <96389374-9454-d26d-6f79-7c7b15ec14bd@2ndquadrant.com> In-Reply-To: <96389374-9454-d26d-6f79-7c7b15ec14bd@2ndquadrant.com> --65PhvtsAKs38FTZBfCtSuw8lyWBugFLYP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5/23/19 12:54 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > On 2019-04-06 20:08, Noah Misch wrote: >>>> I think we should just change the defaults. There is a risk of warn= ing >>>> fatigue. initdb does warn about this, so anyone who cared could hav= e >>>> gotten the information. >>>> >>> >>> I've been suggesting that for years, so definite strong +1 for doing = that. >> >> +1 >=20 > To recap, the idea here was to change the default authentication method= s > that initdb sets up, in place of "trust". >=20 > I think the ideal scenario would be to use "peer" for local and some > appropriate password method (being discussed elsewhere) for host. +1. > Looking through the buildfarm, I gather that the only platforms that > don't support peer are Windows, AIX, and HP-UX. I think we can probabl= y > figure out some fallback or alternative default for the latter two > platforms without anyone noticing. But what should the defaults be on > Windows? It doesn't have local sockets, so the lack of peer wouldn't > matter. But is it OK to default to a password method, or would that > upset people particularly? +1 for password method. Definitely better than trust :) Jonathan --65PhvtsAKs38FTZBfCtSuw8lyWBugFLYP-- --PxNVptbB7Ncc3dNMfYs9x6UkAhN0XvYLC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAlznIugACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSd7kxAAlhMr+u2gQWo4qQPjFI7VlygKFIoKgwBFz1bETe5gwCLPZToKxf0iWrZf UFiR7msL//8xjkqsDYDwVuqGsa6Ie3pMROeq0azknGaNsaM4e2un+ofO975fkLfE rtJC17f2azammqE8+yDlYFpk6pCtKYVHBPLRbCGYOHMtAXjHmvk45+A9dta8Izpe 2uvKKJXxRYEIjYYNNz6nEzf2zJv7KLFhBIMf/SIj+GF+22qdvJWqAoL3P86nfcaJ 6pbOgchJt/pSAxSYH/mI5yy2ba4MrhTRb5CCbYo/2WCUTlD03QjCVyEtiyqGJpsV ch33GDHli2fH//JSloYu4lyy1Bcz1lZgbvo9ilvSTfGaCqx31CLSGWWStJ6dgJBq womLyEtZmpCjnykTNQ3gvr1O9KV0dFVluD4S1K4InKOWwciyK3A6NuoPUSpE+bNY CyI0xzDTs5C0Umlz0J0ht2p1gydezY6Ru9xok3cZOPS6J9hXzfYkW77Kh2uOyk62 3/dPE0YshgXmJez6FLBLS8MfmC7YDBaNiKhAbIyGqFJA1SbjGHST/2DXy7Sotvfm McCUd1yvhF71Lv2Ry/tMvOIFwGx6/u/YsmJ/k2IDTfERuCKNKENnoONy823NXfwe /qU3qLcBRGWoVQ1M2YXDw4kOzaibs53NOAWfu9hEYq202XQ3Pzc= =TnLD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PxNVptbB7Ncc3dNMfYs9x6UkAhN0XvYLC--