Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mS3IO-0005wj-5H for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:20:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mS3IL-0003Yc-9M for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:20:13 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mS3IL-0003YU-04 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:20:13 +0000 Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mS3ID-0008Qt-DN for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:20:12 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id x27so58247803lfu.5 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=a4eBe81OJ2FVl/Hxe+Nc9vRt2H872Z7gKoJFPXykz6Y=; b=iH/GVPzmBwVcw7zbuvGpJDvtkcmgPOIzA3+LXRZs17Yv2QG3fhXve5bSuspOADZPFw rbYpJ1SYkJJJpJwzBuXpJ/mBqIR40YBMhbNBHX0j/aVXYTs9k3ajmTD2RRRL8eGSAXL3 j8E4AIpSnDaRewVXDcAAHoCtBduVSI9Xp2+ADU9GrfKTOM3ihNEDJsO9IIuCmsHPACT+ PdTyE7LIssIvUlxBGVCg2tiOvpSJZ+ajS4Zv/Hc2VpYU3eSEaHmgJTAdx0gU67eImhHe ykr61pXxtBbDHF1IOJCL2/CqrwHP1NuPyebZnVkanfYdrrna3wPVXIyAM46YtzI0n5q5 Hd1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=a4eBe81OJ2FVl/Hxe+Nc9vRt2H872Z7gKoJFPXykz6Y=; b=FGNHIVBd18HYcCBDx+0HUdQNQEDoLa/ANDHrl8OxBjqydXFJ9SCN3DTe8tOebhgs6V hRUnodg88DZX0k08V8cNmS64TpSmh/rDsI4NwKYzKEL+6nCfwrU1whdZAI4/Br6f4yQ+ s+zAx/ph+OB02AcUS/aQVZeJRSMHmA1XOVVtnp++f0a5DsSlD1s8Gq54UnQYU0+2Db/E X7/DEtlayIdpP8aKeiuhjPGUP9dbT02ajrMsNbMiLQAmAm1Vzh8wSTxqNGf0aRNeEOWP pu4H7Ts8MRA4DtDrp7FRaG3CKkOYD/fgZzpnUvP788axGk+nfdZsP94pBhW0ZK6zyt9l rvqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533GqnotTzWFw2oE2IbPLkKt7Cz5Sls6CXbz9ho6klZjH5A7ax3K 03HU9Gq1JXSMueOsRQjy0nACr8tW/xs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxd4dmtd/wuFCg+/udLwmTm5JnpJLw1X1I3gA+FNDqFSM6KufThKayfhd4TdRHImhHvIwhjOg== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4c47:: with SMTP id o7mr1337697lfk.202.1632082803198; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [1.0.0.7] ([178.155.6.195]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k20sm1008390lfe.271.2021.09.19.13.20.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Sep 2021 13:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Some inconsistencies in release-14 To: Tom Lane Cc: pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org, Peter Eisentraut References: <68ac8a49-36ab-f37e-a3c0-71c9fca61074@gmail.com> <1568149.1632080639@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Alexander Lakhin Message-ID: <827d879b-e4bb-7163-91ab-5f270039847a@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 23:20:01 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1568149.1632080639@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Hello Tom, 19.09.2021 22:43, Tom Lane wrote: > Alexander Lakhin writes: >> While translating names in the acknowledgment section, I've found >> inconsistent spelling of several names. > I believe we've standardized on given-name-first in these lists. > (There was some discussion around that when the first such lists > were made, see [1].) People from Far Eastern cultures often write > family name first in signatures, so it can be hard to tell whether > it ought to be switched or not. > > I am not sure which of your changes are correct per this rule. > In the v13 acknowledgements list, I see > > Haiying Tang > Li Japin > Shenhao Wang https://www.namespedia.com says that the Haiying is a first name, and Tang is a surname: https://www.namespedia.com/details/Tang And most probably Li (and Lee) is a surname (as Wang): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_(surname_%E6%9D%8E) So it seems that Japin Li changed his sender name according to the Western rule. But "Lee Dong Wook" then should be changed to "Dong Wook Lee". I haven't checked whether all the Chinese names correspond to the rule, I've just noticed some modified and duplicate names. So I'm afraid that we can't ensure that all names are standardized now, and when in doubt we should just stick to the person' preferred spelling. Best regards, Alexander