Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqmUp-0005Mr-GN for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:13:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqmUn-0005ns-T9 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:13:41 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqmUn-0005nl-Jg for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:13:41 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqmUg-0001eG-Tc for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:13:40 +0000 Received: from [63.118.15.50] (helo=Ph33r-Retina.local) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqmUb-0005Ba-KF; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:13:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal To: Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <19252.1533509841@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <402d07a0-227b-71b7-0ecd-0b6c379e3cd0@postgresql.org> <18776.1549296730@sss.pgh.pa.us> <31322.1549315549@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: "Jonathan S. Katz" Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=jkatz@postgresql.org; keydata= mQINBFtShwABEAC7PNHDUOTYuifpUCk23KqfxdQQkn4nkoxOXRK0+rAj36FiwqGB4TJFuOVZ sDFAEiSlC8Jt4y5Cs7B5tetT8JNd2cs6zp/udMJJDz9d65O9PDpdlMgAmIiTzpLlSdx8FG56 DTksaDv1d8j3cTJPSE4/fWSxqzA7o3Y9UuL7atZPrzfImgpRKs0of7elIHwOa8GucjyhYqcR h60wFBJc2KXqQdDYRTZy43DSnY/0VNc0omiH355fustvpm+m5HjD3w7qZyfN3fpKJpnX1LCF f3MnPHaDGITIYGRCBXvf0UqUtD6OEVWPv2C2gyqWMIpWmZTOgDufltKyIByKBoS9x0PlFkij 04X3KODCngt+N8Ssc9OICc6QSxhjoP48PYPdmiTmkrGuf0LX084wj1xeo1NX7XxZK39F6dTJ DhsIiW0sNS0xMxQHLHG9VLbPjx3SANQBh6BuryPz5ZupW9/TIDmkvprtU/oXfKgtfYm3fxmk EctxbWrEPsFTFPyuMqQu6l+xyQv0s1VLZfjNWaua6H1/gGoIt6kRnn5qMXDVVpijuWkHbv7G ngaQMd258UrrOEHnnjzhQ7jxMWV9D+emxbAtlIxnYvCWlV4IwAQhEHfvudqYaIY3hNWrvQ6H GB2KXoTZYN9g5djm14/5nj1IU5zOcovkjJnKhoo9iStnpFF2cwARAQABtCdKb25hdGhhbiBT LiBLYXR6IDxqa2F0ekBwb3N0Z3Jlc3FsLm9yZz6JAlQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCQeGH4AFCwkIBwIG FQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQT6hLaVryv3miBkP/HxBJxynxxlJwUCW1KJJQAKCRDxBJxy nxxlJwjrD/kBgqsW4QpNpTFw7ifRokZV08CCX4huPBJQ91rrv+UEWlEcotFBHVkYyHnpzARl tcZxhJ9CbFxjniH9cOTty5T/O1yolbOHtZSW8Z8aWV6BVEbjMb+BFxSSLm7RnvJdzQbGCZq2 ZZvfVpB6z3EHYph4KDdVKvMFjoLskxmdS1DE0tE3zTxvoQsi24Q+HOS07kUjs6fsu/WICMfz mgO++AWG9Y0CvN0mm4TkujESzyKM9E5irD+leEMIcddl51Aa2c/VMfBXQbRmpHIgUFTmuHQD CnQih+9i3OJAksDg66SP8a7yiXv5mwvyDi1EfTGVKYR2j+pwyjwnC3oIbvDMmB3uTn2JIjnT iZKPVtAcAylXjubFltihQgNyuShdP4W+kBwZizhUFqUVL8Anx+KoytYmJPfMRFLGuK4obXKq a2ZS3k9KB+H+isOx2nFJOsc7V360Zp1DVaNmuiK10TT6QndShSPaqkJqFtCb6r92rZ9sZM/L 3vtCI4Rrl3Pt1MgtENXupS8gZpJnAYS0j5A1PAZ09r6ANoaeMHspF+5J5fOHeEvqphXr36mm a83Vl1t4orPb0+QmmijmlpseDU63M88Aw5p3c4qj7t8Qr2EZ5zrn7/sFn5wOfbs8Nymxafif QCnlV2vg9p0m7vSk/yLJ4PFZvs52FgqAGRCdRn0s2EC99bkCDQRbUocAARAAv8ho/toQ9DG3 j4f9h9n1aRHr2FlviN2Utpy6L8+dfDggO0geilmkGQOolZ2E60gGfye/kUtF9W3NByO4hxDR 9u6qbOXcdqnuA+cc68EfqlWFJrVtYFxt0h4ElWYOYnIezKthriWch/FY70FGrxs3z8UHOHq5 0wBW433eTvZm90WixBiXEt2v1DgW4Vr3ymfO7Aap/IYyPuE4JzgudAuAl0HKPyNEHWHG1dAb jX1RiCw9gknIDWQOF0B4UAaJctWGVcnZ3A2ULwNGMa1P9ZJlBWf1vcj01aiHMU0yQ7JjJiSp vfm9eM0uSLwRdDrJjyl5ZZqVumjdv2SMNQ8GvYRbEMys3GGDSt9zXgfCSUnPnJfYxjzBHRI6 x44Wfsx8S6hWxepOogCJJ/g67Bk9mY8YV4klWIXDJVOL5jnBC09DbsZG81JaE2QxB8Y7W36Z Mroi9XMxg3s805hQAQUvdG/poU8hN8BWdrnTm/+4eQQp7gDY1ePDmGM6bJC+OHOSnFtR/f+7 0zpKJ10cc7cBygGnl1yR3KjhFyAWUFvP4ZGziKCcpMwXZfe9PGuyA/YOubMphxIn3YsK2wrd faKZYX2GMZCZhMMcvx9IpQrxIJgU+VlwXu/O+Lk10VIPcxPJJwmpdI6HzcS8ZgG6IMcC444X XTuLaP8j2mgcMvYak3ScCykAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQgAJhYhBPqEtpWvK/eaIGQ/8fEEnHKfHGUn BQJbUocAAhsMBQkHhh+AAAoJEPEEnHKfHGUnReMP/RA2UhGQj+G4uBshkRLjpRysabdPqgQB dEBk6wYbio88Wg/2/hgY7UzmDDEwX3sZfQDcrI6+vIobI8uqstZID+WgAAa1JLfChMyVQnSy 0zfWMOABXscc5tGuvFRZvJklTissMFjXUwaREEKp4ZikTvJ/62MCjSdtrUhnPLvoTsHTKRKD ichE+b5A54alwsubTijw12O6N22r5IjZiiSZV0u7dsShyKw+7wCSax9fuBoE43NMYf+dnjMK nerAQYUcZWYMnk+EC8RaqYAxv6XZ2tKx1AkGGktwkQIBwrz9IlDSvJ3LWJ2UIIuLRTdngNgg GIL4zzuUa2F56FqskQIuYMaNETk6LYfalBDQ6TVLAcgCPQxp4k4i/PRsZ3lZ2ZhRHRYciOvm kp+I6EfHwllQpYrWs1thluBGqlJSVJgKl0IOFvKLsQ6KKfqzAwh6FxrO5qajp4viNIgtWoFw O5Bp0jgFTbH2OrMWIRfUdUCH1Djbuo65svhNj7FNsQVYzHDI+Nd1I/LOBoPc3UorRMF2M4JV kUR7skOHWUbPTSNUr7qc14NSMY3PKjGeVGAsBVHBPvmRx/Ss2tW/TpJWpxg4pmquFQSXuaYh Yf4FN8Sxy320pcr+FqN8AhZkYJcNY82OTtR5VEKRC/mYcyq61qXIKqngydn79bJjGxHipxyF FmEC Message-ID: <856e0ec6-b42a-df70-56ca-f6c5ebf39903@postgresql.org> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 17:13:21 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31322.1549315549@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pFHtHwoL8wl3HPc56PfDdocJ6Bt9bjQHr" X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 63.118.15.50 (failed) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pFHtHwoL8wl3HPc56PfDdocJ6Bt9bjQHr Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fV326JPMJ8GvmrcFG9No0a92JFqB3pix2"; protected-headers="v1" From: "Jonathan S. Katz" To: Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Message-ID: <856e0ec6-b42a-df70-56ca-f6c5ebf39903@postgresql.org> Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal References: <19252.1533509841@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <402d07a0-227b-71b7-0ecd-0b6c379e3cd0@postgresql.org> <18776.1549296730@sss.pgh.pa.us> <31322.1549315549@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-Reply-To: <31322.1549315549@sss.pgh.pa.us> --fV326JPMJ8GvmrcFG9No0a92JFqB3pix2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/4/19 4:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > "Jonathan S. Katz" writes: >> On 2/4/19 11:12 AM, Tom Lane wrote: >>> It's not quite clear to me what the policy would be for removing >>> back-branch links from this list when old versions drop out of suppor= t. >>> Should we go back and remove them in surviving back branches, or just= >>> change HEAD? >=20 >> Yeah, that was one of my first thoughts as I reviewed the patch. It's >> one of those "once-a-year" things that are easily forgotten (e.g. with= >> EOL warnings, which is why we updated a few things around that). But a= s >> long as they're added to the process of wrapping for the release, it >> does not sound like its a huge burden. >=20 > After a bit more thought, I'm inclined to propose that the policy be > that we *don't* update the surviving back branches for branch retiremen= t. > The new wording in release.sgml should be adjusted to clarify this, > along the lines of =2E..so I guess in turn, we would not update back branches with newer releases as well, i.e. adding references about 12 to 10? That makes sense, and eases some of the burden on releases. > Release notes for prior release branches can be found on the > PostgreSQL web site. At the time of release of version 12, > these were the supported prior release branches: >=20 > >=20 > Release notes for older branches can be found at > . >=20 > In this way, the prior-release notes section just provides some handy > links for recent past releases, and isn't purporting to offer > up-to-the-minute info on what's in support. +1 Jonathan --fV326JPMJ8GvmrcFG9No0a92JFqB3pix2-- --pFHtHwoL8wl3HPc56PfDdocJ6Bt9bjQHr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAlxYuQIACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSciQg//SDZk3zL5yu449edVt2bR2DoAfT1tYdnQovh4C/lm/HDnV8yHzWJltnVa KYq40kBV/KLJLXEg2p65ykS2t5R90jODrLQGq6OWcdgp/RffSc2ZCL4wEn6czl8n j3pQEWhD+SYLrSZj7TMAhj3q6dsfpRQy+JxOzn5OgpzD1FBykno10HOeP5TsfAMb gtOoB3vAkvCWRA7smTEA83wwJ5amqWYw1lyPzEIPOZ6fzws/KjtLCyE1AqWRBAxL ZnwUnEeKb3MnYfRrmP6U4nMMW1PL51eUWAC0sIy27+hGp+fHM3hHzBm4p/UNU8Qm t+eEicn39wPt2nuNZ0t5CN2OJb4O3OJBHx7z3HK9yza2Fcg1h3iK2uzPq9+IRqk6 Q10sIKyhKYocDDHZ3lqCBZLU0BVzssxnNztCxNcICeWKcWRxvbTIyK9XwaF3Oxc7 Uf8NGrBH8kGfGL6JjAb0aWn/H34wQiFLoHBKMb4XCf1EAsA+9iRxmjmM2ASvhy+w neHxQcKLt0/Nvrhtp+IUPru8N1beaY+/yC/eCw4Ry6kh0d+Zl7WwfUQZtQtV+Gta 1rC6UovEXOwQ7XRssAkL7eg23PdKrqbz4Xy58N3i5aJlZN0BqgPWOlzISj5LrVk3 kxP/eCcuv0mx+3IDuPjVrmybzU1wpENNkqN6z7dqZubuCBZdtZ8= =mlNV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pFHtHwoL8wl3HPc56PfDdocJ6Bt9bjQHr--