Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1E71337B9E for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:56:12 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35295-06 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:56:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 00:06:39.131432 by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from smtp130.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp130.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.130]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55351337B96 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:56:04 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp43.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7EB3D2D02A2 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp43.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: chris-AT-doesnthaveone.com) with ESMTPSA id 4BDFB2D019A for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Meller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Documentation Navigation Feedback Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:49:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C378959-1A31-45DB-846D-4EEFAD747CB4@doesnthaveone.com> To: pgsql-docs@postgresql.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 tagged_above=-5 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201101/9 X-Sequence-Number: 6301 I jumped into #postgresql earlier to ask a couple of questions and we = ended up talking about the documentation. agliodbs wanted me to mention = the problems I ran into trying to find what I was looking for on the = mailing list, so here we go. I was looking at the documentation (which, btw, has always been of a = very high quality, so props for that!) and trying to find out about = character sets and collations. I didn't have much luck looking at the = main TOC, which isn't a big deal or terribly unexpected, so I did a = search for 'collation'. The second result is the CREATE DATABASE = reference page, which is one of the main pages I was looking for, so = that's great. Once I'm there, though, I'm pretty much lost. I've got Prev and Next = links (and Fast Backward and Fast Forward, which didn't seem to do = anything different), but no indication of where I am or how to get = somewhere else. For a specific example: After reading the few pieces I needed to know = about for CREATE DATABASE, I wanted to move on to CREATE TABLE. It looks = like I'm in a function reference section, so I assume there must be a = main TOC page listing them all, but I don't see a link to that anywhere. = There's also no indication which chapter and section I'm in, so I can't = go back to the main TOC and navigate down to it to find the chapter TOC. = I ended up hitting 'Next' a dozen times to find CREATE TABLE in the = alphabetical list of functions. When I mentioned this out on IRC, peerce did point out that there's an = 'Up' link... at the bottom. I had no idea it was there. I'd found the = parameter I was looking for and had no reason to keep reading the rest = of the lengthy explanation of other parameters and caveats to using = them, so there was no reason for me to keep scrolling and I didn't = expect the navigation link I was looking for to be at the bottom. Once I was looking at the navigation at the bottom, it seemed like it = should be the navigation at the top of the page instead. There's an 'up' = link and the Prev and Next links include the title of the pages you'd be = moving to, which is actually nice to know. On other pages I saw that the chapter was shown under 'PostgreSQL x.y = Documentation' in the navigation at the top, so I don't know why there = wasn't a similar title on the function page. Expanding the breadcrumbs at the top, which only show that you're in the = PostgreSQL x.y documentation, to include the location in the = documentation would pretty much eliminate my problem... So would using = the save left-column navigation bar all the other pages seem to use. Anyway, there's my feedback. Great documentation, but confusing = navigation makes it tough to use. Carry on... :) Thanks! Chris=