Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkM5E-0005cw-B8 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:21:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkM5C-0007BU-W5 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkM5C-00079G-Or for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.73]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hkM59-0004E6-V7 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.178.43] ([77.190.96.197]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.145]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1wdj-1iUfGe0KIz-012EgT for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2019 07:20:53 +0200 Subject: Re: TOC: List of Figures To: pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <304820c6-2ef5-0fdd-4610-1a09b970d9ef@2ndquadrant.com> <30333.1562524678@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Purtz?= Message-ID: <9c19b21a-cc58-9aed-7be5-f3311b98466f@purtz.de> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 07:20:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30333.1562524678@sss.pgh.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Dqsq+A1CK/FZWe0KfGwAiqnl1FKiHN99Hkg2OkG3n/XsgLpf+9p kC1VgErLuQKEjzS65ynmvr7/49iHyZ4RYzgbOI54decWxiQXpLqgmDkwks7zOzgozsMX/bx OXMpvBg2kvKObfNs1Dq2h1QyEsDhAdD6o9p3LoA5IGvVV1YBJX+S10V6qbRyKtxUmKwwLWH R2/52YYahvID4q3l0kbqQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:aNm2TpNCahs=:bYZ9IHDK8HeN3yrCzulVxC uKqWx8+Mf89HGAlObcZCFz6bAyqfn7AbxWWz20nE5ro1cuIYgAKsGzh4c6tLEYCKDxY+6rUkd hAU619Zs3EuXJMV9bUdj86N8f4CKwuKFcwJA1gpVzqCMomFHuBjFPbX4NLSoQDzDb52QrMYg0 gPrQz4LX748rXtAB55I3X3z2oVHhw8wmgxn/vbszudi6oCTvLDKkITWKw5uLaH/DgeacS5PiH YgTlhe9M1/enVpf9HcN16f2rgoRBbKugahqdbFU/ahBIAMI2ssH1yRNdNAgzers87U4JgUCyH R2z4y8QFLVGfJoxgEB2IvanJJ1KJZW31YQwBsmCy9Xj9iQ/dNjfnV+xS/f8wVdk1LgnbLpYWQ w6fuDqaj/xvAR9mFG3TsN4PrF7gnFzvBOOzH7QQ05LmtAavHjQr/Ux7PhpbA7Gis2uis50GCw dTEkNrJHYWk1lTv/oo0EKQw1/qQXiC96mAbU8lbeb+XkgbsYraB54K9n9BZW+FF+/mtuT9wnY unigvyw38dsezXr/dGyC9ySi0FMALUyt9rAg3VF0/7uWH9SIdLw0PCVp2nnFQroUMLXDnEOiP zZBopMey2saJ5nC8MZOwofF2QUNtbZsn7BvKgeaB677GZ/UhECvbr0+l+OYGj1aFjQb4nVeq4 P5/pDjpH4JOjJ5AEGPvLL+ywQcHzGTfqJffUK8xKmZATjb//DTSjawtyDYE6aStKm46vMCnKD 4Tf9ZtPmyS3UHmjH4kfh4OVIfYlX4Fn+53XDkDerZX7sdusNVlT570YPfMU= List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk > Peter Eisentraut writes: >> On 2019-07-02 10:13, Jürgen Purtz wrote: >>> After the integration of figures into the documentation it may be >>> helpful to extent the TOC with a 'List of Figures'. Any opinion? >>> >>> If yes: The same for 'List of Tables' and 'List of Examples'? >> I have never found these useful. What would you use them for? Who goes >> to the documentation (or any other book-like material) thinking, I'm in >> the mood to look at some tables today, let's see what's in them. > +1. I have a vague recollection that we once had such lists in the > TOC (because that was the default behavior for whatever toolchain we > were then using) and later took them out precisely because they were > useless. Not sure how a list of figures would be any more useful. > > regards, tom lane > The two main reasons for using the documentation are 'reference for concepts and syntax' and 'learning'. For the first issue figures are less important - at least as BNF is not presented graphically. The second issue is important for all persons which are not very familiar with PG. Pedagogues tell us, that learning is done best with different media types, where typical methods are direct speech, videos (see the huge number of learning videos at YouTube), graphics, exercises, reading manuals. In essence, they recommend some kind of 'media changes' within each lesson. Currently our documentation is not much more than a manual, the rising element 'graphics' is and will be tiny small (unless we integrate BNF). To support the didactic method of media changes we should promote graphics with a summarizing list at a prominent place in front of the manual. Kind regards, Jürgen Purtz