Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D001337BD1; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:47 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60572-01; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:14:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F941337A67; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:14:38 -0300 (ADT) Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so6054612iwn.19 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:14:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.136.3 with SMTP id r3mr10902907ict.335.1301944477025; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.165.135 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:14:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D998B49.8050000@2ndQuadrant.it> <4D99F09D.3000606@2ndQuadrant.it> <1503.1301935044@sss.pgh.pa.us> <4D99FF55.9070301@2ndQuadrant.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:14:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Uppercase SGML entity declarations From: Dave Page To: Robert Haas Cc: Christopher Browne , Susanne Ebrecht , Tom Lane , Gabriele Bartolini , pgsql-docs@postgresql.org, PostgreSQL-development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 tagged_above=-5 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201104/28 X-Sequence-Number: 6599 On 4/4/11, Robert Haas wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Browne > wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Susanne Ebrecht >> wrote: >>> Anyway, I figured out there is another argument for XML: >>> >>> My information is that DocBook 5.0 won't support SGML anymore. >>> >>> Which means - sooner or later a reaction is needed. >> >> Yes, indeed. >> >> I don't think that during the 9.1 alpha phase is the right time to >> think about this, but this certainly seems appropriate to consider as >> a 9.2 "ToDo" item. >> >> There are arguments as to why to switch to version 5, which is, >> indeed, XML-only. >> http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/ch01.html#introduction-why-to-switch > > AFAICT, the biggest problem with our existing toolchain is that it's > hard for some people to get it working. In theory, we have > documentation that explains this: > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/docguide-toolsets.html > > However, in contrast to the vast majority of our documentation, it stinks. > I've certainly wasted non-trivial amounts of time trying to get it to work on some platforms. I'd be *very* glad to see us using a simplified toolchain if possible. Another point to note is that whilst it will still be possible to install older versions of docbook for a while, presumably that'll become more and more of a pain, as distros update to 5.x, requiring users to start building manually, and having to deal with parallel installations of two versions. -- Dave Page Blog: http://pgsnake.blogspot.com Twitter: @pgsnake EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company