Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inICt-0006KJ-DT for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 08:21:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inICp-0003lr-HF for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 08:21:15 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inICp-0003lj-2X for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 08:21:15 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1inICh-0002p6-RT for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 08:21:11 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id z14so31947269qkg.9 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 00:21:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=W3stOWsVC7MIXdamlEFZ8FDDVKr8l2eNnbMQ2yXnUOY=; b=DT8a7FGfS5a+eZBDoO4tE+tJ8HOLBR+wphqd3bJvJRJLSZvLTc3qMpwftuGafce3na KCLkt+Ub1UzALxKAJuFofw5b2pkJQr936Vl7tQcDegwFAkHrBfz5h7ufN+q7gPWhKzJd +LSsj5g4XUPlFptzMnEKsQcpSHxzyb55iIXSz/7UYpfvSS8D7NCTayuZKhnGp7YfBEQt rCFWmD4fE52/xyJ4juZg8VXM4XlEP8AHwr5AKNPPOrX1CNEi96+/Nki8PLg73l0/kHWd +ie53pKH8M7RZpHL3TLnGrAnor57vlCWlWLUlqEUQeaWKFIyQD3gaieQ1xF86SXQ7/dN yarA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=W3stOWsVC7MIXdamlEFZ8FDDVKr8l2eNnbMQ2yXnUOY=; b=LQqGGyoZxvD4F/5qKYgFIwFC/z9iTy55euBWlb16ehu3QQD9zksvRNUHvoCCBPjtnB ZfpQz3TWtFkKvLMYA9dxpHtt5Z66NAh9bExVoF0/cwL6rD2O3ugBywu+Qy8ZEThSYXKL oU6rh+A8sZXX7kp9aEcdMbbf+mouHR8Effxmc6M8Ya8QPfX6O5dUdo01qjFNuuExomxo vdhHLWZCe1EtDSAYY1ykH40sS6jxMYpkEJh6ZqpgoyCYGHdeHDsQZsNWBKKyru1b5AZm AfK1Nj3yptlLsb6zjXFw1R+etdobVX22xBqiYj/cQSDFz+3O9SeAU/YM1kCNRnsHdDgx 3YCA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV6mIlkLBM1hTWnmpqjtH1G/uCQ8ccRQs3KMuPdLzbar+9/qNXW u2sNpsA5Dj5sZAfU7tdB7EI6rOy85Yh+NSYNz+E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwDatoEHt3PxL+9V1U7hHvA4HwbUj1/TBBkjNfxnjVu7hyiVVO1kicx8NxORsOSxBflKtgNOkcK2otySlXGry0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a48f:: with SMTP id n137mr69173288qke.287.1578039666158; Fri, 03 Jan 2020 00:21:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:e083:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:21:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <157801363409.1149.3930072152315481638@wrigleys.postgresql.org> References: <157801363409.1149.3930072152315481638@wrigleys.postgresql.org> From: "David G. Johnston" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 01:21:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the concept of a database cluster To: "libcub@hotmail.com" , "pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000be3185059b37fd17" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000be3185059b37fd17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, January 2, 2020, PG Doc comments form wrote: > The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: > > Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/creating-cluster.html > Description: > > In 18.2, a database cluster is said to be "a database storage area on > disk", > and then shortly afterward is is defined as "a collection of databases th= at > is managed by a single instance of a running database server". Those seem > very different things. Sometimes in the manual I can't tell which usage i= s > intended. > A garage is a =E2=80=9Ccar storage area for a house=E2=80=9D. A garage can = (typically) store multiple cars just as a database cluster can store multiple databases. The files are only useful if there is a running instance and all databases stored in the cluster are managed by a single shared instance. You will need to better explain your confusion because the documentation is describing a complex system accurately but in parts that are related - two sides of the same coin, if you will. David J. --000000000000be3185059b37fd17 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, January 2, 2020, PG Doc comments form <noreply@postgresql.org> wrote:
The following documentation comment has been logged on t= he website:

Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/creating-cluster.= html
Description:

In 18.2, a database cluster is said to be "a database storage area on = disk",
and then shortly afterward is is defined as "a collection of databases= that
is managed by a single instance of a running database server". Those s= eem
very different things. Sometimes in the manual I can't tell which usage= is
intended.

A garage is a =E2=80=9Ccar storage area fo= r a house=E2=80=9D. A garage can (typically) store multiple cars just as a = database cluster can store multiple databases.=C2=A0 The files are only use= ful if there is a running instance and all databases stored in the cluster = are managed by a single shared instance.=C2=A0 You will need to better expl= ain your confusion because the documentation is describing a complex system= accurately but in parts that are related - two sides of the same coin, if = you will.

David J.

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