Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inm1z-0000qi-Qr for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 16:12:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inm1y-0003jx-9w for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 16:12:02 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1inm1y-0003jm-0g for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 16:12:02 +0000 Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1inm1v-0006mC-Ad for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 16:12:01 +0000 Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id n15so39219101qtp.5 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:11:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xgjeq3Z75dKAjKvdascTXFP8MnBplJrMRhenbiAP9V4=; b=DFSiufXDdVgY3i8wbcz6qU8/PuVavb6xm7EomXhYnU0ePoqfcSuo91Pvgtr9DiPy1p xioeyrgCPF24+Moc6oBdwCvhKBc0v7KqWkkqFG5Qvvn0xw/EsmTzwia6AjiB4CZYahR+ lQb0RuHuAeKUiv+j4hqZ2Qb8EZrY/HAGOJfrN6a3OCsG4e/6twFInwxqjM8JjCasYFJx TKbM2Nl30nmaIdhFD1gVQ1KuPf0PNp9ySAANU2n53/tVLWvdToaeuJ5rOYccYPu1G4qf qWkITBlbIgHgqL508MGRUDe/N0OVY588pTYDZpVZgwrZIh2zyRiSHAVlW2p76myC6DrL 3W0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xgjeq3Z75dKAjKvdascTXFP8MnBplJrMRhenbiAP9V4=; b=dgi8xvnzcYQCGMlRmR/dAtlmeHyvG+u81IkH/6mkQ49or3xp4VQwTiQxIruOQQiPBM WWNqxyEhdXZRXAmusoZsJczlAc/CzolkNV+Q75TkNqclc2wLHvTAbWi9XY5mmSueEVSs 2fBkYpMIYnq1cx6QeYJF0PBKBB9Kyw60mmtUWuh2ymW0TH1uTCsjby0yoh5Jmy+BdCKN xfKs6roRIHeK9JQ+39TRhwl/3Lo3uyti3CkNDZ5mac4xSuHbnFDqk4GMCk3hzu0MHNBJ 8vsWXvfDzV00C7a2CkBQGtXKklqGDzvN+/BmT8aUbokczD7eDZAvhKhoV7xTcFaEV1yR fWyw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWW3rpx8DiHftS/5nd/+uWKMfkSYf3Htk1+wgPFlMnk7vgYtD4/ sAFz7Arj/V+rQEbDOQIIJpxypDzy8bSxL/KY+3Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyo9lQLSNtmXOHS34wEqFXlT79noxd5JhENcEPjmSgzZ8fimvA3oAQRLT2ndKe3vgbEj8vFseaH9RvhmHBDhbY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3364:: with SMTP id u33mr69381450qta.267.1578154317327; Sat, 04 Jan 2020 08:11:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:e083:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jan 2020 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <157801363409.1149.3930072152315481638@wrigleys.postgresql.org> From: "David G. Johnston" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 09:11:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the concept of a database cluster To: Paul Weiss Cc: "pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007c3177059b52afd2" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --0000000000007c3177059b52afd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, January 4, 2020, Paul Weiss wrote: > Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I am confused. It is clear that there are > two concepts here, sharing a term. I was trying to communicate that the > manual does not always make it immediately clear from context which conce= pt > is meant in a particular sentence. > > A garage is a good analogy. A garage is a container for cars rather than = a > collection of cars. You wouldn't say "I sold my garage" to mean "I sold m= y > car collection". Containers and collections are different things. > > Here's a simple example In our context: "remove the cluster" could mean > "delete the folder containing the databases", or "drop the databases". > Those actions are not identical. I would think we would want to be clear = to > our users which we mean. > I=E2=80=99m sure we=E2=80=99d be willing to fix concrete problematic exampl= es but a lack of those suggests there is no actual problem here...as you aren=E2=80=99t conf= used or providing concrete examples and suggestions I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this thread. Awareness of what seems to be a non-existent issue? David J. --0000000000007c3177059b52afd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, January 4, 2020, Paul Weiss <libcub@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I am confused. It is clear that there a= re two concepts here, sharing a term. I was trying to communicate that the = manual does not always make it immediately clear from context which concept= is meant in a particular sentence.

A garage is a good analogy. A garage is a container for cars rather than a = collection of cars. You wouldn't say "I sold my garage" to me= an "I sold my car collection". Containers and collections are dif= ferent things.

Here's a simple example In our context: "remove the cluster" = could mean "delete the folder containing the databases", or "= ;drop the databases". Those actions are not identical. I would think w= e would want to be clear to our users which we mean.

I=E2=80=99m sure we=E2=80=99d be willing to fix concr= ete problematic examples but a lack of those suggests there is no actual pr= oblem here...as you aren=E2=80=99t confused or providing concrete examples = and suggestions I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this = thread.=C2=A0 Awareness of what seems to be a non-existent issue?

David J.=C2=A0
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