Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzV8S-000885-4h for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzV8Q-0000U2-Ss for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:53:50 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzV8P-0000TC-UI for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:53:50 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzV8I-0001rz-C7 for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:53:48 +0000 Received: from [144.121.65.142] (helo=[192.168.20.197]) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dzV8B-0001cU-Rw; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 21:53:39 +0000 From: "Jonathan S. Katz" Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_70CA8538-FF92-403D-B763-D03613F02803" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: inappropriate word 'victim' Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:53:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0d692205-5ec3-55aa-51cb-d029eb93cd12@commandprompt.com> Cc: "David G. Johnston" , devguy.ca@gmail.com, "pgsql-docs@postgresql.org" To: "Joshua D. Drake" References: <20171003193804.28564.41434@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <0af35b7c-9421-ed87-34cd-9f73f21e3d71@commandprompt.com> <0d692205-5ec3-55aa-51cb-d029eb93cd12@commandprompt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 144.121.65.142 (failed) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-docs Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-docs-owner@postgresql.org --Apple-Mail=_70CA8538-FF92-403D-B763-D03613F02803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake = wrote: >=20 > On 10/03/2017 01:28 PM, David G. Johnston wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Joshua D. Drake = =20 >> =E2=80=8BMy first inclination was "target" though I suppose its not = that much closer to the supposed neutral position on this subjective = scale than "victim"=E2=80=8B. >> Subject didn't sound right either (marginally). Maybe "named" - = "...while connected to the named database." >> Given that, aside from 3 release note instances, we never use the = word "victim" in the docs leads me to want to change this if just for = internal consistency. >=20 > Named is probably the best middle ground. If you click into the documentation for DROP DATABASE = [https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/sql-dropdatabase.html = ] = you get:=20 "Also, it cannot be executed while you or anyone else are = connected to the target database." So there is a precedent for using =E2=80=9Ctarget=E2=80=9D for this = command. Jonathan= --Apple-Mail=_70CA8538-FF92-403D-B763-D03613F02803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Oct 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:

On = 10/03/2017 01:28 PM, David G. Johnston wrote:
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Joshua D. = Drake <jd@commandprompt.com

=E2=80=8BMy first = inclination was "target" though I suppose its not that much closer to = the supposed neutral position on this subjective scale than = "victim"=E2=80=8B.
Subject didn't sound right either = (marginally).  Maybe "named" - "...while connected to the named = database."
Given that, aside from 3 release note = instances, we never use the word "victim" in the docs leads me to want = to change this if just for internal consistency.

Named is probably the best middle = ground.

If you click into the documentation for DROP = DATABASE [https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/sql-dropdatabase= .html] you get: 

"Also, it = cannot be executed while you or anyone else are connected to the target = database."

So there is a = precedent for using =E2=80=9Ctarget=E2=80=9D for this = command.

Jonathan
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