Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzlG0-0001rp-55 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:15:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzlFy-00028P-QW for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:15:46 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzlFy-00026c-JL for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:15:46 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hzlFt-00012k-Bu for pgsql-docs@postgresql.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:15:44 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id s14so2058780qkm.4 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:15:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=commandprompt-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=YfIhcijKxv3sCrpYBx3sgarQIEAAqkDQcnCawRY7RmA=; b=up9CQNz+RLMZGXbA69sgeXj3dAmL5tn1sXorgUkyubzs9yDUo63vAesEOZWaDS950p ympHnnbn0qXlyg/Uim4/dm92rIuFmc5SeSC1dYRbfZdfYzEbxST5K11uCIPhuQb7T4OC aVGg4bGVZD+E1UyZ530/+aoBSVM07owGnHU6jDKegYAU4x+KsPI0rELHC/EgqTW00Cdx vnEVoIvR4DpyWUX+0EMg4npGkGNPCDfqoIFuk4EGmhcJLPq2LHr5zAOcoJaBiZBTRMVB jP1bYNTDZByeoTfXGf8/vxvusDT0mXf2rjNKcJBjlB/YsGv7bccY9xK8kyfP0Tf4XzzK lm+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=YfIhcijKxv3sCrpYBx3sgarQIEAAqkDQcnCawRY7RmA=; b=TIZiVSBFqBziqPM01zo+cCpcPNH1Z78O22jEbG8Ce0whi6FBB8NNj7aezcJXt5V7Wf oqShg8TtaL20y3pX4tY9YzyaAREXM8sCOwZ2VsZ0f/HQEdy4VrcQ1R+N8Y6UxKJiIBNc RQROIIv3/0NH1D/DmHzaeMUTGfJTEE/i+zV515tvREyBgxcHUnACzQjUWEK5VIzQAzUO C4WVDpmX1hyhNAUemFJgr1ReI9prgleVtIUsmaAXajbxNe+e0huQry13lUiErUAuBLW6 sVFT2L/sAxvJAeaeIYWh+E7XReZlHlZ/8sRMKELRsqzt3gCtybI53dGNleKioOJFL1Yk 4kJA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXKO0h4PhMncvuv25Bvr87OVaFNdWOjrQ6HswFDRvpubih+aXuO Q4W/Pi3YvymHW3GyH91wOvbYhECu+R4DtosCeZ7VjAb0xfnQGWnR7iCg9aE3vhXPyBTnSuBzE5j Po/b4/abC6/YTTV1INaRHi+wFNcCne1jnPplt5B7pwb/mRlEPjBQz0koKuL0MngF94WebVps= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwd+T2RWS5Kmejumt/iBfiXcwRyu/KaaP/1uXTr2GaLMAMtkvtnzxSnlI2oj4owY/p2auaj+A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:16dc:: with SMTP id a28mr20103233qkn.200.1566234939036; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.50.160] (c-73-97-49-9.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [73.97.49.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n62sm3166571qkd.124.2019.08.19.10.15.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: readability changes to postgres.sgml To: Liudmila Mantrova , Erik Rijkers , Stephen Frost Cc: pgsql-docs References: <5ac2c96d-37a6-18aa-08c4-327a6fbff24b@commandprompt.com> <20190816002623.GS16436@tamriel.snowman.net> <996bcfe233f558276f4f5962673ba164@xs4all.nl> From: "Joshua D. Drake" Organization: Command Prompt, Inc. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:15:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 8/16/19 10:41 AM, Liudmila Mantrova wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I think the proposed changes are all solid > improvements. The text reads better with them, and that's what > this is > about -- not whether the removed little text-pieces were 'true' or > not. > > If we want to make these intros more concise, one of the easiest ways > to achieve this is to address the reader directly ("Readers looking > for xxx are encouraged to look" vs. smth like "For xxx, see"). This is true and my counter argument is that a call to action is more likely to get the reader to do something. JD -- Command Prompt, Inc. || http://the.postgres.company/ || @cmdpromptinc Postgres centered full stack support, consulting and development. Advocate: @amplifypostgres || Get help: https://commandprompt.com/ ***** Unless otherwise stated, opinions are my own. *****