Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ipLx8-0007Z8-N5 for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 00:45:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ipLx6-0008SU-Ex for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 00:45:32 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ipLx5-0008SN-VU for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 00:45:32 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ipLwx-0002qt-Ix for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 00:45:30 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.org; s=20171124; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=khNZl7yAOEFcUt9ffj80fagfx1QE+4A16ycDhk0EMOE=; b=6KHRiVo519FHnk+PZPBEDzS1gE 8tDz5RSkPW09zMGduxiG9ipF4ZeZdUCF4V0WfVLVLOZTt/5JGsTgz4eukmhuYYphqkW9QV+ra7Rqa tsWJVHWOpM4kMlMfv1NzO2CoYXiXgNqMv2fot+gpXf2Y+TVtHRnwAXDdHxKWMqX/2ur8/+Vie/W9Y nOfxUuFeEQ4GWy1tT2a6LXd1Ry0/P4eBhOrJN0yFpRcBfzT2RLYQ2ZxNGEI4BqCqcFco3XAlEq6zh lL79+RTB146pw8tftjRjrRp5mrwMM1mESkSQWo0SlX919ChROoOiWyuci/VL6ojp/0tP2fZFl4A3N cekjPWvQ==; Received: from [40.142.6.133] (helo=Ph33rHippo.local) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ipLwu-0001jz-18; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 00:45:23 +0000 Subject: Re: Postgres.js driver - for Node.js To: Jonathan Buhacoff , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <157851397836.29176.4731594661906491622@wrigleys.postgresql.org> <9a8037ce-1240-6200-4d01-0e33eff058d3@postgresql.org> <0eae77e8-0eb8-6726-bbb6-ae59750031ad@buhacoff.net> From: "Jonathan S. Katz" Autocrypt: addr=jkatz@postgresql.org; keydata= mQINBFtShwABEAC7PNHDUOTYuifpUCk23KqfxdQQkn4nkoxOXRK0+rAj36FiwqGB4TJFuOVZ sDFAEiSlC8Jt4y5Cs7B5tetT8JNd2cs6zp/udMJJDz9d65O9PDpdlMgAmIiTzpLlSdx8FG56 DTksaDv1d8j3cTJPSE4/fWSxqzA7o3Y9UuL7atZPrzfImgpRKs0of7elIHwOa8GucjyhYqcR h60wFBJc2KXqQdDYRTZy43DSnY/0VNc0omiH355fustvpm+m5HjD3w7qZyfN3fpKJpnX1LCF f3MnPHaDGITIYGRCBXvf0UqUtD6OEVWPv2C2gyqWMIpWmZTOgDufltKyIByKBoS9x0PlFkij 04X3KODCngt+N8Ssc9OICc6QSxhjoP48PYPdmiTmkrGuf0LX084wj1xeo1NX7XxZK39F6dTJ DhsIiW0sNS0xMxQHLHG9VLbPjx3SANQBh6BuryPz5ZupW9/TIDmkvprtU/oXfKgtfYm3fxmk EctxbWrEPsFTFPyuMqQu6l+xyQv0s1VLZfjNWaua6H1/gGoIt6kRnn5qMXDVVpijuWkHbv7G ngaQMd258UrrOEHnnjzhQ7jxMWV9D+emxbAtlIxnYvCWlV4IwAQhEHfvudqYaIY3hNWrvQ6H GB2KXoTZYN9g5djm14/5nj1IU5zOcovkjJnKhoo9iStnpFF2cwARAQABtCdKb25hdGhhbiBT LiBLYXR6IDxqa2F0ekBwb3N0Z3Jlc3FsLm9yZz6JAlQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCQeGH4AFCwkIBwIG FQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQT6hLaVryv3miBkP/HxBJxynxxlJwUCW1KJJQAKCRDxBJxy nxxlJwjrD/kBgqsW4QpNpTFw7ifRokZV08CCX4huPBJQ91rrv+UEWlEcotFBHVkYyHnpzARl tcZxhJ9CbFxjniH9cOTty5T/O1yolbOHtZSW8Z8aWV6BVEbjMb+BFxSSLm7RnvJdzQbGCZq2 ZZvfVpB6z3EHYph4KDdVKvMFjoLskxmdS1DE0tE3zTxvoQsi24Q+HOS07kUjs6fsu/WICMfz mgO++AWG9Y0CvN0mm4TkujESzyKM9E5irD+leEMIcddl51Aa2c/VMfBXQbRmpHIgUFTmuHQD CnQih+9i3OJAksDg66SP8a7yiXv5mwvyDi1EfTGVKYR2j+pwyjwnC3oIbvDMmB3uTn2JIjnT iZKPVtAcAylXjubFltihQgNyuShdP4W+kBwZizhUFqUVL8Anx+KoytYmJPfMRFLGuK4obXKq a2ZS3k9KB+H+isOx2nFJOsc7V360Zp1DVaNmuiK10TT6QndShSPaqkJqFtCb6r92rZ9sZM/L 3vtCI4Rrl3Pt1MgtENXupS8gZpJnAYS0j5A1PAZ09r6ANoaeMHspF+5J5fOHeEvqphXr36mm a83Vl1t4orPb0+QmmijmlpseDU63M88Aw5p3c4qj7t8Qr2EZ5zrn7/sFn5wOfbs8Nymxafif QCnlV2vg9p0m7vSk/yLJ4PFZvs52FgqAGRCdRn0s2EC99bkCDQRbUocAARAAv8ho/toQ9DG3 j4f9h9n1aRHr2FlviN2Utpy6L8+dfDggO0geilmkGQOolZ2E60gGfye/kUtF9W3NByO4hxDR 9u6qbOXcdqnuA+cc68EfqlWFJrVtYFxt0h4ElWYOYnIezKthriWch/FY70FGrxs3z8UHOHq5 0wBW433eTvZm90WixBiXEt2v1DgW4Vr3ymfO7Aap/IYyPuE4JzgudAuAl0HKPyNEHWHG1dAb jX1RiCw9gknIDWQOF0B4UAaJctWGVcnZ3A2ULwNGMa1P9ZJlBWf1vcj01aiHMU0yQ7JjJiSp vfm9eM0uSLwRdDrJjyl5ZZqVumjdv2SMNQ8GvYRbEMys3GGDSt9zXgfCSUnPnJfYxjzBHRI6 x44Wfsx8S6hWxepOogCJJ/g67Bk9mY8YV4klWIXDJVOL5jnBC09DbsZG81JaE2QxB8Y7W36Z Mroi9XMxg3s805hQAQUvdG/poU8hN8BWdrnTm/+4eQQp7gDY1ePDmGM6bJC+OHOSnFtR/f+7 0zpKJ10cc7cBygGnl1yR3KjhFyAWUFvP4ZGziKCcpMwXZfe9PGuyA/YOubMphxIn3YsK2wrd faKZYX2GMZCZhMMcvx9IpQrxIJgU+VlwXu/O+Lk10VIPcxPJJwmpdI6HzcS8ZgG6IMcC444X XTuLaP8j2mgcMvYak3ScCykAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQgAJhYhBPqEtpWvK/eaIGQ/8fEEnHKfHGUn BQJbUocAAhsMBQkHhh+AAAoJEPEEnHKfHGUnReMP/RA2UhGQj+G4uBshkRLjpRysabdPqgQB dEBk6wYbio88Wg/2/hgY7UzmDDEwX3sZfQDcrI6+vIobI8uqstZID+WgAAa1JLfChMyVQnSy 0zfWMOABXscc5tGuvFRZvJklTissMFjXUwaREEKp4ZikTvJ/62MCjSdtrUhnPLvoTsHTKRKD ichE+b5A54alwsubTijw12O6N22r5IjZiiSZV0u7dsShyKw+7wCSax9fuBoE43NMYf+dnjMK nerAQYUcZWYMnk+EC8RaqYAxv6XZ2tKx1AkGGktwkQIBwrz9IlDSvJ3LWJ2UIIuLRTdngNgg GIL4zzuUa2F56FqskQIuYMaNETk6LYfalBDQ6TVLAcgCPQxp4k4i/PRsZ3lZ2ZhRHRYciOvm kp+I6EfHwllQpYrWs1thluBGqlJSVJgKl0IOFvKLsQ6KKfqzAwh6FxrO5qajp4viNIgtWoFw O5Bp0jgFTbH2OrMWIRfUdUCH1Djbuo65svhNj7FNsQVYzHDI+Nd1I/LOBoPc3UorRMF2M4JV kUR7skOHWUbPTSNUr7qc14NSMY3PKjGeVGAsBVHBPvmRx/Ss2tW/TpJWpxg4pmquFQSXuaYh Yf4FN8Sxy320pcr+FqN8AhZkYJcNY82OTtR5VEKRC/mYcyq61qXIKqngydn79bJjGxHipxyF FmEC Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:45:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0eae77e8-0eb8-6726-bbb6-ae59750031ad@buhacoff.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fLw5xA5ctMaRHw5zE96IfwMrkxAcJ7r9j" X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 40.142.6.133 (deferred) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --fLw5xA5ctMaRHw5zE96IfwMrkxAcJ7r9j Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="iKiNkcCdxNDQUuyTdCI9QzqOarCMrSVrJ" --iKiNkcCdxNDQUuyTdCI9QzqOarCMrSVrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1/8/20 7:00 PM, Jonathan Buhacoff wrote: > I'm wondering if the short list in the documentation [2] could be > replaced with a link to the corresponding wiki page [1] ? >> [1] https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/List_of_drivers#Drivers >> [2] https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/external-interfaces.html IIRC that was one option that was floated. And IIRC there are two potential issues that arise: 1. While it does easy the administration burden, it's still technically a validation of drivers in that list. Maybe that's ok, based on what happ= ens 2. We do ship out documents as PDFs, and said PDFs can be used offline. If one is trying to understand which drivers are available and they see a link to it, it may not be terribly helpful :( That all said, perhaps it's time to update the list in the documentation and create the guidance in terms of what it takes to have a driver included in the documentation. I'd be happy to draft up some criteria. When I last curated the list, I did try to bring it down to specifically drivers (e.g., not ORMs or tools that enhance PostgreSQL connectivity). Also, while scanning the list, I also saw that someone recently added several drivers that appear to be non-OSS. Additionally, a few of the entries are *not* drivers, which I have gone ahead and removed[1]. I would say at a minimum, in both the wiki and the docs, we should only list drivers that are OSS (in particular, so we can actually validate if they use libpq and support SCRAM), but I will wait until there is some consensus before removing the other closed-source ones. Jonathan [1] https://wiki.postgresql.org/index.php?title=3DList_of_drivers&diff=3D3455= 4&oldid=3D34553 --iKiNkcCdxNDQUuyTdCI9QzqOarCMrSVrJ-- --fLw5xA5ctMaRHw5zE96IfwMrkxAcJ7r9j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE+oS2la8r95ogZD/x8QSccp8cZScFAl4Wd5oACgkQ8QSccp8c ZSdu+Q//XDheheSvI4Tol8/tCy76+tWzzWpE8IS2GbtEPhGITNgLNbqV9yJZI4KS yYDxybg8Tq+jfru1MEk7g8HBM0iQ5XWBUR9BSz7YGB4jbghhWzTwNfqf0NRtOIh7 L2gYPOP1v81yPmyYWHIPVm7f0d8xJUC0eyQ3EwN9pmxjWSrFKsLzbvBqwHsdZ5AT TSkI7i3ViS/SbI+djuUMI+WX5oSvaokauhZAcrLGYgS/VR9cgedojO8jUqlSRHKa kQOcW9/dVddq1s0axQeAW+E37KWxA6kJ7pstjJoJ0Ff2Xx3ZLszCR4ZREvy3vboX kH1g88Gddteq4cufh9mFcnwYGc4nizr4uMC3jLHDW7JI8u5YOrDqVkocZMjayP50 vGMqfooRERFfpTJCcmzFZYrIY+G5GHiCw199lHZcnphLRbpRLpnUglg2jBAdZiqd VScc5dbB4DV+adBxaIP+eXEADMIaggtQAPvv8J0aljm1XOxSyum9BlGrc+i21fia b5YfjXlokLQpehNKvXBbnABAjypL3Q3Bb1zQBLdVvy9M52bTLPP2358oVV9wL02f fmPv5sXHG69MoGbiZ3IqTqn/gAk+ivsRDfuznm/gQYIVMZj5KAfTByxIrj+P+Yw4 FNBjbwFOm3ivgJYX0Nc8yY/SOgRREHECNHjdaoc90nxV+kXZfg8= =yXI3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fLw5xA5ctMaRHw5zE96IfwMrkxAcJ7r9j--