Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr4wx-0004YX-Cu for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 17:55:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr4wv-0002lx-2m for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 17:55:57 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr4tq-0005yz-W3 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 17:52:47 +0000 Received: from meldrar.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::31]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr4to-0002FS-6I for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 17:52:45 +0000 Received: from [63.118.15.50] (helo=Ph33r-Retina.local) by meldrar.postgresql.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gr4tk-0007LI-Oy; Tue, 05 Feb 2019 17:52:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal To: Andres Freund , Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org References: <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205060201.jo3ejddklqxb5a4q@alap3.anarazel.de> <72f54463-6912-115e-cb89-1fb552659505@postgresql.org> <20190205170150.yim3w67sogqw2dg3@alap3.anarazel.de> <9649.1549386657@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205171707.3ct4ch3q25xg4lpo@alap3.anarazel.de> From: "Jonathan S. 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Katz" To: Andres Freund , Tom Lane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Magnus Hagander , Peter Eisentraut , pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Release note trimming: another modest proposal References: <20190125233111.GE13803@momjian.us> <16080.1548459680@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190125234614.GH13803@momjian.us> <8fd2ae88-49de-26f3-def3-e4381cb7e774@postgresql.org> <21920.1548515166@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205060201.jo3ejddklqxb5a4q@alap3.anarazel.de> <72f54463-6912-115e-cb89-1fb552659505@postgresql.org> <20190205170150.yim3w67sogqw2dg3@alap3.anarazel.de> <9649.1549386657@sss.pgh.pa.us> <20190205171707.3ct4ch3q25xg4lpo@alap3.anarazel.de> In-Reply-To: <20190205171707.3ct4ch3q25xg4lpo@alap3.anarazel.de> --RANgNDcfBSBSKj9bB27Xav797jklAMf5i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/5/19 12:17 PM, Andres Freund wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On 2019-02-05 12:10:57 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: >> Andres Freund writes: >>> On 2019-02-05 08:50:16 -0500, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: >>>> The original thought process was to _not_ do that given the effort, = but >>>> if it's just for `/current/` it may not be so bad. >> >>> I think it definitely should also be on /devel/, that's what's out th= ere >>> on blog posts and such. I am flummoxed that we're just giving up goo= gle >>> juice by willy nilly returning 404 for stuff that's more widely linke= d >>> than the average page. It's not like we are that good placed in searc= hes >>> (although that's primarily related to other things). >> >> I thought there was some concern that we were deoptimizing by having >> multiple copies of substantially the same page. >=20 > I think that's an independent issue, given that the rest of the docs ar= e > largely duplicated between the versions too. To chime in on this quickly, I remember researching the traffic to the various release notes over a fairly large window -- other than when a major release comes out, the traffic is so insignificant to all the other release pages that dropping them down to 404s would barely register= =2E For minor releases, most people get the info from the news article (and presumably email to -announce) by several orders of magnitude vs. the release notes themselves. The redirects would be a courtesy for our users rather than anything affecting what's in search. 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