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iK0ok0DlJpSCe6KhkxpaTdeoWMXdKuJWec0NIqoAd54ZgBPnr+UPxTixgPq/p6Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 09:01:35 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk On 5/24/19 8:56 AM, Jonathan S. Katz wrote: > On 5/24/19 8:33 AM, Stephen Frost wrote: >> * Magnus Hagander (magnus@hagander.net) wrote: >>> Making the default change away from trust in the source distro will affect >>> few people. >> >> Agreed. > > +1 Fewer people, but likely disproportionately high representation on pgsql lists. Anyway, nuff said -- I guess the future will tell one way or the other. Joe -- Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development