Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ncgxd-00072D-Nf for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 05:15:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ncgxb-0003Rd-Vm for pgsql-docs@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 05:15:03 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ncgxb-0003RU-L8 for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 05:15:03 +0000 Received: from mail-ej1-x62a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::62a]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ncgxV-0002Tq-5A for pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 05:15:03 +0000 Received: by mail-ej1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id a6so15138033ejk.0 for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2022 22:14:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cybertec-at.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AeYS3kewrd9/+kgLUKoF5sCzLwzd/elp7ryO7Uwjc2A=; b=2QnhV/+P4nUcYipgX+4PwD7CO3iBROXATC3a1CDMUKvd8CJZhSiEF02gheOCIPERnZ HMUBIH/c3BsMTYJwGhktJjCyFkszaLKTspjXuQu7FmKLU+wbYvMuixdhH9RWDthOQXp8 CMzW7GEUbm739NvDC7b4UEkZ91KxWsPC0XEVmmaHZuVKiN4SkfPkI8YNALDPMMIyeATm OHQz8Hy7hdXGDrwjVbcBkAeSeHErnyb7KBHupeadC1L584B4iPIsUyAWSafSZ3bI1iMk ZalR55NZNZAEQjWoeVR4vmMtqQ8ykQQvQt83yuuk3wgDz4ldd6DyvEjuSWT58GJ5nCgj MTqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AeYS3kewrd9/+kgLUKoF5sCzLwzd/elp7ryO7Uwjc2A=; b=dSg/2WKB/RJHPnImEtHGMLDwOn5eghcUT9g1XtTowltw0H3pJ8dAmA6Ne7tYsuxxH+ zXtLrUm/MMoqJaDi1yc/ZG3zXZDViMZxkjL8fPHicHrDiEz3hFbn6IjtSjs1cuGhNEmK a9QMgcWrAKWXahMc5cXRyWG1d1X5Ix3xMmutunIwqAO/41eVvnYHu641DpsyVMDjK5Pz eKyFiL5ycB5ZobbJowhZPzW3yUsDx6HekVb3wv56/lFmfxJPDavHFuKY3Ro19m62Clb0 1wocbUILcRJf8Tw2eftkdRiPXzQzE6lUso6rA7RL5D8feNCLcK51yTrBPCi/VI62Yc/5 7CKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5326z0UqC4LBsVriAG4BB5m5yXq1XIQMNt+scml0UXu7d1kf8hHq s3PuHo0aYSFFtxZIZ6axYaHO1Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytZxaJGoLEGP/AHiGziKe59noO+CrK+eQ0aogDlrqq7pNaDBHBAtAtzUedW7z0SwU5Gu1rRA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:8a1d:b0:6e7:edc9:f001 with SMTP id sc29-20020a1709078a1d00b006e7edc9f001mr16289604ejc.694.1649394895578; Thu, 07 Apr 2022 22:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (178-190-171-123.adsl.highway.telekom.at. [178.190.171.123]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n27-20020a1709062bdb00b006da975173bfsm8424472ejg.170.2022.04.07.22.14.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 07 Apr 2022 22:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Improve documentation for pg_upgrade, standbys and rsync From: Laurenz Albe To: Stephen Frost , Robert Haas Cc: pgsql-docs@lists.postgresql.org Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 07:14:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20220405171038.GU10577@tamriel.snowman.net> References: <22f129004bb66cd91e1dfd3345a9787f5039f3ae.camel@cybertec.at> <20210519143135.GI20766@tamriel.snowman.net> <20210716131744.GA20766@tamriel.snowman.net> <20210726191126.GW20766@tamriel.snowman.net> <20220405171038.GU10577@tamriel.snowman.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.40.4 (3.40.4-3.fc34) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 13:10 -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Robert Haas (robertmhaas@gmail.com) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 3:11 PM Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Laurenz Albe (laurenz.albe@cybertec.at) wrote: > > > > Thanks for looking at this! > > > > > > Sure.  Thanks for working on it! > > > > Stephen, do you intend to do something about this patch in terms of > > getting it committed? You're the only reviewer but haven't responded > > to the thread for more than 5 months. > > I tried to be clear in the last email on the thread, the one which you > just responded to, here: > > * Stephen Frost (sfrost@snowman.net) wrote: > > This, of course, all comes back to the original complaint I had about > > documenting this approach, which is that these things should only be > > done by someone extremely familiar with the PG codebase, until and > > unless we write an actual tool to do this. > > To be more explicit though- we should write a tool to do this.  We > shouldn't try to document a way to do it because it's hard to get right. I see no agreement on this patch. I'll withdraw it from the commitfest to avoid hogging resources. Thanks everyone for the review. Yours, Laurenz Albe