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Sat, 1 Nov 2025 17:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c030801-1594-4b60-91e1-f84e175a80f8@aklaver.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:15:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Enquiry about TDE with PgSQL To: Greg Sabino Mullane Cc: Bruce Momjian , Kai Wagner , Chris Travers , Christophe Pettus , "Clay Jackson (cjackson)" , pgsql-general , Laurenz Albe , Ron Johnson References: <3DC589BC-A5F6-49BC-BFFC-F1FCB0FF7E95@thebuild.com> <3985797c-639f-4825-9fa9-98a48b37f380@aklaver.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Adrian Klaver In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 11/1/25 11:34, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2025 at 11:32 AM Adrian Klaver > wrote: > > The community does provide it, just not the version of Postgres > released here: > > > I'm not sure of your point here. Companies have forked versions / > patches, yes, but not sure how that equates to "community-provided" Well this gets in to a pet peeve of my with regard to OSS and the definition of 'community', it seems to adjust in size of coverage depending on the argument. For a recent thread on -www that gets into this, as concerns contributors, see: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/aJ9ur1eSnk5pp9aD%40msg.df7cb.de To get to said contributors list you go: https://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/ where you see folks recognized for their work outside the core code. Examples of the expanded 'commmunity': 1) From the 'community' site you can go to: https://www.postgresql.org/download/ where that packaging is done outside of core. 2) Again from postgresql.org: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/18/external-extensions.html "PostgreSQL is designed to be easily extensible. For this reason, extensions loaded into the database can function just like features that are built in. The contrib/ directory shipped with the source code contains several extensions, which are described in Appendix F. Other extensions are developed independently, like PostGIS. Even PostgreSQL replication solutions can be developed externally. For example, Slony-I is a popular primary/standby replication solution that is developed independently from the core project." 3) Of course there is: https://www.postgresql.org/community/ "PostgreSQL is well-supported by its active community." To me that means extensions provided by members of the 'community' are 'community-provided'? > > Cheers, > Greg > > -- > Crunchy Data - https://www.crunchydata.com > Enterprise Postgres Software Products & Tech Support > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com