Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:40:27 +0300
From: Aleksander Alekseev <a.alekseev@postgrespro.ru>
To: Jim Nasby <Jim.Nasby@BlueTreble.com>
Cc: Gavin Flower <GavinFlower@archidevsys.co.nz>, dandl <david@andl.org>,
 'Adam Brusselback' <adambrusselback@gmail.com>, 'Joy Arulraj'
 <jarulraj@cs.cmu.edu>, 'kang joni' <kangjoni76@gmail.com>, 'Dmitry
 Igrishin' <dmitigr@gmail.com>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>,
 Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] C++ port of Postgres
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> I'm sure this wasn't your intent, but the tone of your response is
> part of why people don't get involved with Postgres development...
> 
> Please note that you're the only person in the entire thread that's
> said anything to the effect of a holy war...
>
> OTOH, if the community takes the stance of "WTF WHY DO WE NEED
> THIS?!",  we've just driven Joy and anyone else that's a C++ fan away.

I'm sorry for being maybe to emotional. It's was not (and never is!) my
intent to offend anyone. Also I would like to note that I don't speak
for community, I speak for myself.

What I saw was: "hey, lets rewrite PostgreSQL in C++ without any good
reason except (see [1] list)". Naturally I though (and still think) that
you people are just trolls. Or maybe "everything should be written in
C++ because it's the only right language and anyone who thinks
otherwise is wrong" type of fanatics. Thus I don't think you are here to
help.

Give a concrete reason. Like "hey, we rewrote this part of code in C++
and look, its much more readable, twice as fast as code in C (how to do
benchmarks right is a separate good topic!) and it still compiles fast
even on Raspberry Pi, works on all platforms you are supporting, etc".
Or "hey, we solved xid wraparound problem once and for all, but solution
is in C++, so its for you to decide whether to merge it or not".

If you really want to help, just solve _real_ problems using instruments
you prefer instead of reposting obviously holly war topic from general@
mailing list. 

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

-- 
Best regards,
Aleksander Alekseev


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