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Explain analyze shows that query > planning time shoots up crazily. A decision was taken to go back to How did you determine that Percona TDE was the issue vs a 5 version jump in Postgres? > Now the consideration is to use some other encryption option for the > database which will work fine on pgsql 17. Cybertec's technology is one > route, the other is EDB. I am happy to hear experiences of folks here > with pgsql encryption options for v17 on large databases (2.5T in our case). Personally I would verify first that you are not hitting some more general issue with the 5 years of changes in Postgres since the last release of 12 and current release of 17. > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 5:10 AM Merlin Moncure > wrote: -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com