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* Re: Strange permission effect depending on DEFERRABILITY
@ 2024-09-10 09:20  Achilleas Mantzios - cloud <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread

From: Achilleas Mantzios - cloud @ 2024-09-10 09:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>


On 9/10/24 00:09, Laurenz Albe wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-09-09 at 16:14 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios - cloud wrote:
>> The below runs on PostgreSQL 16.4
>>
>> We are trying to implement a certain operation based on a security definer
>> function : mariner_update_availability_date
>>
>> This is supposed to update a table : mariner , which has several other triggers :
>>
>>    [...]
>>    zzzmariner_dmq_tg AFTER INSERT OR DELETE OR UPDATE ON mariner DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE FUNCTION export_dmq()
>>
>> As you noticed the last trigger is a CONSTRAINT DEFERRABLE trigger.
>> This function mariner_update_availability_date is supposed to be run by a user :
>> cbt_results_import stripped of any privileges to the rest of the system. Here is
>> what we get : when we SET the constraint of the last trigger to IMMEDIATE, the
>> function runs on behalf of its owner (postgres) who has all needed privileges
>> (as superuser) to run the update on mariner table and also run the triggers .
>> However, when we run with this CONSTRAINT as DEFERRED then it seems to NOT run
>> the last deferrable trigger as postgres.
> I have proposed a patch that fixes exactly that case:
> https://commitfest.postgresql.org/49/4888/
>
> So far, the feedback seems to be that it is not considered a bug.
> But that doesn't mean that we cannot change the behavior.

Nice work! However I am not sure. What's a trigger owner btw in the 
thread : 
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/flat/77b89e609f21380785865542609fbc14010021c8.camel%40cybertec... 
? Do they mean the table owner? is the trigger creator / owner stored 
somewhere ? I dont see it in system tables or the schema dump. Or do 
they imply the trigger function owner ?

Maybe controlling the queued and later executed trigger invocations 
security context via a new special GUC? such as :

trigger_security_ctx = current_user (default) | table/trigger_owner | 
execution_triggered_user

(in every case a SECURITY DEFINER function would override the above setting)

just my 2cents

> Yours,
> Laurenz Albe






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* Re: Strange permission effect depending on DEFERRABILITY
@ 2024-09-10 17:22  Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
  parent: Achilleas Mantzios - cloud <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread

From: Laurenz Albe @ 2024-09-10 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Achilleas Mantzios - cloud <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>

On Tue, 2024-09-10 at 12:20 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios - cloud wrote:
> On 9/10/24 00:09, Laurenz Albe wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-09-09 at 16:14 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios - cloud wrote:
> > > The below runs on PostgreSQL 16.4
> > > 
> > > We are trying to implement a certain operation based on a security definer
> > > function : mariner_update_availability_date
> > > 
> > > This is supposed to update a table : mariner , which has several other triggers :
> > > 
> > >    [...]
> > >    zzzmariner_dmq_tg AFTER INSERT OR DELETE OR UPDATE ON mariner DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE FUNCTION export_dmq()
> > > 
> > > As you noticed the last trigger is a CONSTRAINT DEFERRABLE trigger.
> > > This function mariner_update_availability_date is supposed to be run by a user :
> > > cbt_results_import stripped of any privileges to the rest of the system. Here is
> > > what we get : when we SET the constraint of the last trigger to IMMEDIATE, the
> > > function runs on behalf of its owner (postgres) who has all needed privileges
> > > (as superuser) to run the update on mariner table and also run the triggers .
> > > However, when we run with this CONSTRAINT as DEFERRED then it seems to NOT run
> > > the last deferrable trigger as postgres.
> > > 
> > I have proposed a patch that fixes exactly that case:
> > https://commitfest.postgresql.org/49/4888/
> > 
> > So far, the feedback seems to be that it is not considered a bug.
> > But that doesn't mean that we cannot change the behavior.
> 
> Nice work! However I am not sure. What's a trigger owner btw in the 
> thread :
> ? Do they mean the table owner? is the trigger creator / owner stored 
> somewhere ? I dont see it in system tables or the schema dump. Or do 
> they imply the trigger function owner ?

The owner of a trigger is always the owner of the table.

> Maybe controlling the queued and later executed trigger invocations 
> security context via a new special GUC? such as :
> 
> trigger_security_ctx = current_user (default) | table/trigger_owner | 
> execution_triggered_user
> 
> (in every case a SECURITY DEFINER function would override the above setting)

The PostgreSQL project has made bad experiences with parameters that change
the semantics of SQL statements, so I think that idea will meet resistance.

Besides, what I am proposing in the patch is not to use the owner of the
table, but the current_user at the time that the trigger is queued.

I had the impression that that is what you are looking for.
Executing as table owner can easily be done with a SECURITY DEFINER function.

Yours,
Laurenz Albe






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* Re: Strange permission effect depending on DEFERRABILITY
@ 2024-09-10 17:41  Achilleas Mantzios <[email protected]>
  parent: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread

From: Achilleas Mantzios @ 2024-09-10 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Laurenz Albe <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>

Στις 10/9/24 20:22, ο/η Laurenz Albe έγραψε:
> On Tue, 2024-09-10 at 12:20 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios - cloud wrote:
>> On 9/10/24 00:09, Laurenz Albe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2024-09-09 at 16:14 +0300, Achilleas Mantzios - cloud wrote:
>>>> The below runs on PostgreSQL 16.4
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to implement a certain operation based on a security definer
>>>> function : mariner_update_availability_date
>>>>
>>>> This is supposed to update a table : mariner , which has several other triggers :
>>>>
>>>>     [...]
>>>>     zzzmariner_dmq_tg AFTER INSERT OR DELETE OR UPDATE ON mariner DEFERRABLE INITIALLY DEFERRED FOR EACH ROW EXECUTE FUNCTION export_dmq()
>>>>
>>>> As you noticed the last trigger is a CONSTRAINT DEFERRABLE trigger.
>>>> This function mariner_update_availability_date is supposed to be run by a user :
>>>> cbt_results_import stripped of any privileges to the rest of the system. Here is
>>>> what we get : when we SET the constraint of the last trigger to IMMEDIATE, the
>>>> function runs on behalf of its owner (postgres) who has all needed privileges
>>>> (as superuser) to run the update on mariner table and also run the triggers .
>>>> However, when we run with this CONSTRAINT as DEFERRED then it seems to NOT run
>>>> the last deferrable trigger as postgres.
>>>>
>>> I have proposed a patch that fixes exactly that case:
>>> https://commitfest.postgresql.org/49/4888/
>>>
>>> So far, the feedback seems to be that it is not considered a bug.
>>> But that doesn't mean that we cannot change the behavior.
>> Nice work! However I am not sure. What's a trigger owner btw in the
>> thread :
>> ? Do they mean the table owner? is the trigger creator / owner stored
>> somewhere ? I dont see it in system tables or the schema dump. Or do
>> they imply the trigger function owner ?
> The owner of a trigger is always the owner of the table.
Thank you.
>
>> Maybe controlling the queued and later executed trigger invocations
>> security context via a new special GUC? such as :
>>
>> trigger_security_ctx = current_user (default) | table/trigger_owner |
>> execution_triggered_user
>>
>> (in every case a SECURITY DEFINER function would override the above setting)
> The PostgreSQL project has made bad experiences with parameters that change
> the semantics of SQL statements, so I think that idea will meet resistance.
>
> Besides, what I am proposing in the patch is not to use the owner of the
> table, but the current_user at the time that the trigger is queued.
Yes, your patch "current_user at the time that the trigger is queued " 
is my execution_triggered_user from above. Bad naming from my part.
>
> I had the impression that that is what you are looking for.
To be frank, the current behavior albeit confusing to noobs, (and I have 
no excuses here using PostgreSQL since 2001 in this same job) , seems 
right to me. So I would welcome some kind of GUC/session-level or 
DDL/object-level control but still the current behavior is fine to live 
with.
> Executing as table owner can easily be done with a SECURITY DEFINER function.
>
> Yours,
> Laurenz Albe

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