Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1v3yg6-006Skl-5v for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 15:23:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1v3yg4-003tmX-3G for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 15:23:36 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1v3yg3-003tlV-8x for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 15:23:36 +0000 Received: from fhigh-b3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([202.12.124.154]) by makus.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1v3yg0-000tbT-2d for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 15:23:34 +0000 Received: from phl-compute-06.internal (phl-compute-06.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailfhigh.stl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5194D7A067E; Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-01 ([10.202.2.162]) by phl-compute-06.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 01 Oct 2025 11:23:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aklaver.com; h= cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1759332212; x=1759418612; bh=XZV+6mBNMfXBHTBOn0aqMoWX3PbCHRZsw6Az5A6kUjo=; b= Tq2Uesu76RmeUpyEuxtLMAyVFpxM8eN8c2ln3gdmWe20aG5yOCDrY0dzdfaqbZCe pHNcxSmYQQ3oJDEnL8eEpDdG2Yg0ja295Ew6kI7vkP0kogVUqOLrtJ9OOVmunqSo XC4P/e8qyKJIU+BpVUMkE531i28rTidg9CD+ziSFVsxyz96anEeBEL/Q/ICQMU/w bUkGBr3Er/JK2Z/CyjlGkOIXeHdmgwgCFsBiFaB+EkdXcut2BZlcVeIDFTGUQx18 1fs03Hh2C2x+3rr28CNxEh6ZkLxdrV01a9rxa7hjtLITqahsrUlawfn3a0melmvK rLaH129oEgaZMdMbwHNtCg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1759332212; x= 1759418612; bh=XZV+6mBNMfXBHTBOn0aqMoWX3PbCHRZsw6Az5A6kUjo=; b=q u3Uum4Bd9qtsfIEewizTU1pDd1y0JG43cfGt2DxWIXfBkqqtK5B+YCZwsY3uEpZF 2TliW4bDylx96Cxa6OCLN4DwBPPOqHsTswoFZ/hFrwlObutD8EWT+B6jVcbO0f2i siHYPA7141uxs64CBxmuavbJyTudewRBV2+Dg9ryw5bWeN7Qst2PhmS/Wtppi7yd rCIzxj61Al10S62lbpq18aFFJm7pbTw3SsZxsJQbVsWtU0L5f3MXyYiCbc+OuXAl JdN+i9hUOVCpYcEafGkp+bRgvfExrRRxqA3W5IF5IXO4ZQGLfjPDRmk6uLFGk6Yu zC8A1ujWtniOtFT/pf0Vg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdeggdekfeeglecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegr ihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjug hrpefkffggfgfuvfevfhfhjggtgfesthekredttddvjeenucfhrhhomheptegurhhirghn ucfmlhgrvhgvrhcuoegrughrihgrnhdrkhhlrghvvghrsegrkhhlrghvvghrrdgtohhmqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekvdelveefueehgeeuleehhfdtgefhkeehveeffffglefg gfekfeehueekvdeljeenucffohhmrghinhepphgvrhgtohhnrgdrtghomhenucevlhhush htvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrughrihgrnhdrkhhl rghvvghrsegrkhhlrghvvghrrdgtohhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopeefpdhmohguvgepsh hmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopegrshhhihhshhdrmhhukhhhvghrjhgvvgesghhmrghi lhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehmmhhonhgtuhhrvgesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtph htthhopehpghhsqhhlqdhgvghnvghrrghlsehpohhsthhgrhgvshhqlhdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i76984098:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 1 Oct 2025 11:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58832521-a58f-4ab6-bbd1-e6d8e1c435ad@aklaver.com> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 08:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Downgrade pgsql 17 to pgsql 12 question To: Ashish Mukherjee Cc: Merlin Moncure , pgsql-general@postgresql.org References: <230414d2-9a59-4395-bd81-74972c192e25@aklaver.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Adrian Klaver In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 10/1/25 02:33, Ashish Mukherjee wrote: > I think the conclusion is to do a more thorough testing before the > upgrade next time. Have updated our playbook for upgrades to include > more thorough testing. > > /I upgraded multiple non TDE databases from v12 to v17 and they are all > fine./ Then raise an issue here: https://forums.percona.com/c/postgresql/pg-tde-transparent-data-encryption-tde/82 Seems to me finding the cause and a possible fix would build on the effort you have already put into using TDE, rather then learning an entirely new system and having it possibly fail somewhere else. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com