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Subject: Re: Enquiry about TDE with PgSQL
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us>
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On 11/3/25 8:59 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Mon, Nov  3, 2025 at 08:20:21AM -0800, Adrian Klaver wrote:
>> On 11/3/25 08:01, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov  3, 2025 at 04:39:45PM +0100, rainer@ultra-secure.de wrote:
>>>> Am 2025-11-03 16:08, schrieb Bruce Momjian:
>>

>> Again a distinction without a difference.
>>
>> If you go here:
>>
>> https://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/
>>
>> and look at the names under Core Team and Major Contributors, out of 59
>> names only 6 do not list a company name. Companies live at the heart of the
>> community. Hence the the policy of no company having no more then 50%(?) of
>> the Core team.
> 
> The issue is that interacting with external companies is rarely done by
> the community, so if you need to get community software to interact with
> external software, the external software vendor has to get involved with
> the community, and for non-Postgres-focused external companies, that is
> a big hurdle.  Companies have many employees who can make it their job
> to get the integration working, as has happened with the many
> company-controlled Postgres TDE solutions.

To be specific it is a customer service issue.

So why is this page:

https://www.postgresql.org/support/professional_support/

"Commercial support is available from many different companies providing 
professional services to the PostgreSQL community."

not a solution done by the community?


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Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com