Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tn4Hp-001gFw-Qw for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 23:24:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tn4Hn-00Aaqy-1t for pgsql-general@arkaria.postgresql.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 23:24:23 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1tn4Hm-00Aaqp-4I for pgsql-general@lists.postgresql.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 23:24:22 +0000 Received: from fhigh-b4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([202.12.124.155]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tn4Hi-000556-39 for pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 23:24:21 +0000 Received: from phl-compute-06.internal (phl-compute-06.phl.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailfhigh.stl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAE425401A3; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-02 ([10.202.2.163]) by phl-compute-06.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:24:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aklaver.com; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date:date :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1740525858; x=1740612258; bh=hF/X8WHleZAI1rzibhxhRIk2tba4re50deP9oNw0lpc=; b= IlUdQWmjBO/9JhAVLhnbBN7dgYOhGxpsOtcgryWtJ12NxzHDOxnEHB980KXO/PDT vuDXxbKU8sbSgeBaKD99+ZFbwvacZQr++mgKNnEDGrPDtXuXMdByMvE01z21/f4q HMnEmLWAADtYhvcxzjAKG/7u7YNW4DXVdaB70fvw+NceonREYHuYEzeu1oy4ddQq dSzBZwp9o0lnPdATl6e5Ia47Ppu+092PfUfVs/YVVoJYk09Gt+rC1cCJdBiU0nRj sWd9ZusLjWzl8BLrk961tijK5gM7d0DG16kpbQOo1ixOzRMa/FpAXnqxIsvHqmPI TX0cm4MeJ86qCB9/OWv6Fg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1740525858; x=1740612258; bh=h F/X8WHleZAI1rzibhxhRIk2tba4re50deP9oNw0lpc=; b=kuSL5HrTVwL3Jlncw gizFyjvuXaPr8Nu0sUQXrzjLrM9IgdrIco3s+yImT5+VbrBswhF0g291VT3joI7U DgvPKxVzWRAxUBVWkZco5ZN/Qfe6sIXs8Ie/hcrGgeAkmdzvp4nAAO5xnL4o/Qt5 dxCh26AzArzpUw1BniU0FMFBhs34wGyeHrBLzXj6sjxuhf/OO+fiKpiNM1Up7wnm /p8tfNzuqdlFMi7oA2OBRjKlpvzRdoYNc+Z/5d5tExsWQru+elvMuoe43m5huqqk wiWmefBwsjio97S7sNJYzjnvJKlOn62iLTf0p5x8aKvRNvSvFU8jK12KGOUQxVU8 JKssw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdekfedtudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdp uffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivg hnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefkffggfgfuvfhfhfgjtgfgsehtkeertddtvdej necuhfhrohhmpeetughrihgrnhcumfhlrghvvghruceorggurhhirghnrdhklhgrvhgvrh esrghklhgrvhgvrhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepuddugeffjeejffehgfff vdelheelteekjeeikeejteeftdeuhedvhffhtdfhjeffnecuffhomhgrihhnpehpohhsth hgrhgvshgrphhprdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehm rghilhhfrhhomheprggurhhirghnrdhklhgrvhgvrhesrghklhgrvhgvrhdrtghomhdpnh gspghrtghpthhtohepvddpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtpdhrtghpthhtohepmhgrrhht ihhnmhhuvghllhgvrhesnhhorhhthhifvghsthgvrhhnrdgvughupdhrtghpthhtohepph hgshhqlhdqghgvnhgvrhgrlhesphhoshhtghhrvghsqhhlrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i76984098:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:24:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <75980603-58e8-4a70-9c2e-8d73b3a2fb8b@aklaver.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:24:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: rookie question about upgrade from 13 to 17 To: Martin Mueller , "pgsql-general@postgresql.org" References: Content-Language: en-US From: Adrian Klaver In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2/25/25 14:51, Martin Mueller wrote: > I would like to update my current version of Postgres13 on a Mac mini to > the latest version, but I can’ t find anything in the general document > that explains the procedure in terms readily understand by retired > professors of English… > > I understand that there are three items involved: > > 1. The installed instance of version 13 > 2. The not yet installed instance of version 17 > 3. The tables (several hundred and adding up to 30 GB when  backed > with pg_dump) Probably the easiest way is using pg_dump/pg_restore. > > I also understand that there is a pg_upgrade command that picks up the > old tables and presents them to the later version in a somewhat > different format > > But I don’t understand how the different steps in the upgrade process > interact. What are the steps and in what order  that wil > > 1. Install version 17 > 2. Upgrade the data so that they will in version 17 > 3. Get rid of the no longer needed version 13 > > There is a Postgres app for the Mac, but upgrading from one version  to > another doesn’t seem to be part of it. Are you referring to ?: https://postgresapp.com/documentation/ > > I use postgres exclusively in a single user fashion with a GUI front > end, as if it were a more powerful version of Microsoft Access. > > I’ll gladly volunteer to write up the process in English intelligible to > others like me, and there may be some. > > With thanks in advance > > Martin Mueller > > Professor emeritus of English and Classics > > Northwestern University > -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com