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There is an organization > mismatch betwween the community and companies, and the community > basically forces companies to intract on community terms --- companies > are a more natural iteraction for other companies. Again a distinction without a difference. If you go here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/ and look at the names under Core Team and Major Contributors, out of 59 names only 6 do not list a company name. Companies live at the heart of the community. Hence the the policy of no company having no more then 50%(?) of the Core team. -- Adrian Klaver adrian.klaver@aklaver.com